<p><human> baffled: we're experimenting a psychic communication towards jrand0m, to ask him to be here for the meeting</p>
<p><human> baffled: just focus your mind on him, and help us</p>
<p>> Don't we have to hold hands or something like that?</p>
<p><human> baffled: if it helps you focusing your mind... well, yes</p>
<p>> Cool, gimme your hand I'm commensing to focus!</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> human gives his hand to baffled </p>
<p></UL></p>
<p>human has changed the topic on channel #i2p to I2P meeting: hold the hand of your neighbour, focus your mind on jrand0m, and ask him to come here</p>
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<p><UL></p>
<p><li> baffled whipes the sacred potato-chip oil off his fingers and takes humans hand.</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p><DrWoo<ahref="iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo"class=wikipageedit>?</a>> human: doesn't he make up a pre meeting agenda, you can grab that and direct the meeting</p>
<p><li> jrand0m apologizes for being late, been avoiding looking at the monitor today (killer headache)</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p>> No apology necessary or expected.</p>
<p><wilde> np, we prepared an emergency plan</p>
<p><wilde> everyone taking a job at McDonalds<ahref="iip-wiki?action=edit&id=McDonalds"class=wikipageedit>?</a> and hiring indian programmers for the money</p>
<p>Signoff: ion (Ping timeout)</p>
<p><jrand0m> hah nice</p>
<p><jrand0m> perhaps we can jump into that agenda, or are we on 1, 2, 3, 6?</p>
<p><wilde> 0.</p>
<p><wilde> 1. Hello</p>
<p><wilde> Hello I2P</p>
<p><fidd> hi</p>
<p><jrand0m> hi</p>
<p><jar> hi</p>
<p><kaji> ah, i made it</p>
<p><wilde> last hellos? going once, going twice...</p>
<p><kaji> hi</p>
<p>> Which agenda the one you posted or the oone wild posted?</p>
<p><jrand0m> perhaps I can help out with agenda 2) status</p>
<p><wilde> 2. Status I2P</p>
<p><jrand0m> the router, as is, is nonfunctional</p>
<p><wilde> so how are we post-testnet?</p>
<p>> can we cote on that?</p>
<p><jrand0m> post testnet, yes, but I introduced two bugs in the process</p>
<p>> vote.</p>
<p><jrand0m> vote on whether its nonfunctional?</p>
<p>> Right.</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> jrand0m wonders if we vote hard enough it'll be functional again</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p><kaji> its dead for me</p>
<p>> oh, nevermind.</p>
<p>> well, we held hands and you appeared.</p>
<p><jrand0m> hey, worth a shot ;)</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> jrand0m starts a bug-excorcism seance</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p>> does that make them bogobugs?</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> DrWoo<ahref="iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo"class=wikipageedit>?</a> sprinkles dried blood on the floor</p>
<p><li> jrand0m senses that this chant will cause the bugs to dissapear in the next day or two, with an email going out to i2p@ once its ready</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p>> oh wooooow!</p>
<p><kaji> i switched to j2sdk1.4.2_03 to get ant to work on XP, i wonder how much of and effect it has on the router not working</p>
<p><wilde> so there's a short i2p vacation</p>
<p><jrand0m> none, I use that build on xp</p>
<p><jrand0m> the bug is programmer error, probably a trivial one too</p>
<p><jrand0m> (but quite fatal)</p>
<p><jrand0m> right wilde</p>
<p><jrand0m> but after that, I've been making a bunch of progress on the docs for 0.2.5 and 0.3</p>
<p><jrand0m> so I don't think they'll be a full two weeks out</p>
<p><jrand0m> but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.</p>
<p><wilde> nice, any application improvments anyone?</p>
<p><jrand0m> one idea - on the testnet, we focused a lot on irc and echo, more than eepsites</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> wilde notes in the black book who hasn't done todays homework, a cool I2P application</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p>> Do you think they suffered for that? I certainly do.</p>
<p><jrand0m> having lots of clients (aka destinations) on a single router increases the load, and we may want to think about trimming down our test scope, perhaps</p>
<p><jrand0m> there's also a discussion wrt perhaps revisiting the keysize of the crypto to reduce the load (for another day after we have more metrics, etc) </p>
<p>Signoff: Robert (Ping timeout)</p>
<p>> What do you consider a lot of clients on one router?</p>
<p><jrand0m> I dont know, I would like once 0.2.4.x is out and usable that we can use both IRC and eepsites</p>
<p><jrand0m> that depends on the computer</p>
<p><wilde> so what's best for now? eepsites or irc?</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> jrand0m wants both, and we will have both functional in the mid and long run</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p><jrand0m> anyway, we can see as 0.2.4.x comes out. perhaps both will be fine again.</p>
<p><wilde> yeah but what's most useful for debugging? continous connections or sporadic ones?</p>
<p><jrand0m> both ;)</p>
<p><wilde> lighweight irc, or eep graphics?</p>
<p><jrand0m> i2p needs to support long term streaming connections and short term bursty ones</p>
<p><kaji> what about heavy long downloads?</p>
<p><jrand0m> right, long term streaming connections</p>
<p><jrand0m> (though I do think filesharing over i2p would best be served with i2psnark via messages, ala udp)</p>
<p><wilde> the question really is: you suggested narrowing the test scope, was that to IRC or EEP?</p>
<p><wilde> (or something else)</p>
<p><jrand0m> two or three clients will be fine, I just know that running 4+ services may be a bit of an overload for the time being (depending on people's computer)</p>
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<p><wilde> ok, that's probably wise</p>
<p><jrand0m> anyone have any dev status for client apps?</p>
<p><wilde> so the focus should be on services that can us some statistics, like the irc scripts</p>
<p><jrand0m> that is definitely key.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> woah</p>
<p><jrand0m> hi Newsbyte</p>
<p><Newsbyte> ah, jran</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> wilde looks at the clock and at Newsbyte, late arrival, that will cost you an apple</p>
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<p><Newsbyte> huh?</p>
<p><Newsbyte> I never come here</p>
<p><jrand0m> also, the echo server and client app is great at gathering stats, and doesn't have any irc-specific dependencies. </p>
<p><wilde> nothing</p>
<p><Newsbyte> besides, what's an I2P meeting without nop? ;-)</p>
<p><DrWoo<ahref="iip-wiki?action=edit&id=DrWoo"class=wikipageedit>?</a>> wilde: heh somehow I dont think hes here for the meeting :)</p>
<p><human> would an eepsite monitoring tool be useful?</p>
<p><Newsbyte> no nop, no meeting</p>
<p><UL></p>
<p><li> Newsbyte can summarise</p>
<p></UL></p>
<p><wilde> jrand0m: is there something else you'd like to have statistics in the network?</p>
<p><jrand0m> human> certainly - perhaps some way to do periodic pings of eepsites, maybe keeping track of changes even?</p>
<p><human> jrand0m: keeping track of what changes?</p>
<p><jrand0m> I think with the irc scripts giving us long term disconnect / reliability stats, plus the echo app giving us latency, the only thing left is really throughput</p>
<p><jrand0m> content on the page changing </p>
<p><Newsbyte> yes, and use more then one server</p>
<p><wilde> a kb/s meter, I2P Pirate Radio someone?</p>
<p><jrand0m> hmm? right, when the net is up we usually have between 4-10 servers</p>
<p><human> jrand0m: it's doable but... how would you use the content change information?</p>
<p><kaji> i ran a shoutcast stream for a while</p>
<p><jrand0m> human> that particular aspect wouldn't help me, but would let users use the test (which would tell them whats changed, as well as get them to run the test more [generate more traffic])</p>
<p><jrand0m> nice kaji</p>
<p><jrand0m> yeah, aum's streams were up periodically as well</p>
<p><human> jrand0m: oh, ok, now i understand</p>
<p><mihi> jrand0m: a chargen service? ;)</p>
<p><madman2003> bye everyone, good luck with i2p</p>
<p><wilde> so throuhput is one stat that would be interesting/useful</p>
