<p>14:16 < jrandom> ok, perhaps we can look into what SPF is b0rking on</p>
<p>14:16 < jrandom> if there's nothing else on 0.4.1.3, moving on to 2) Tunnel test time, and send processing time</p>
<p>14:17 < jrandom> there was some discussion yesterday exploring some of the timeouts, and basically things just occationally take too long</p>
<p>14:17 < jrandom> i dont think the spikes you can see in http://dev.i2p.net/~jrandom/processingTime.png are legitimate though</p>
<p>14:18 < jrandom> well, they're real - it really does take that long</p>
<p>14:18 < jrandom> what i mean is, we should be able to get rid of them</p>
<p>14:18 < jrandom> some queueing is going to happen, but if we are more careful with what we accept, we should be able to reduce it</p>
<p>14:19 < jrandom> the delays are also likely due to some occational spikes in job processing time, which we can tune the fsck out of</p>
<p>14:20 < jrandom> in general though, the message queueing seems all right, even if it spikes up some tunnel tests</p>
<p>14:20 < deer_><newsbyte> darn..I wish freenet and i2p could really merge...seems like progress would be a lot faster, possibly beneficial to both</p>
<p>14:20 < deer_><Ragnarok> yeah, I don't see why fsck would be useful for jon processing :)</p>
<p>14:22 < deer_><newsbyte> yes, and 3)profit! according to /. traditions!</p>
<p>14:22 < deer_><newsbyte> :-)</p>
<p>14:22 < deer_><Demokritos> I can't believe Tor is not backwards compatible from 0.0.8 to 0.0.8.1</p>
<p>14:23 < jrandom> with the tunnel testing, there is a floor to the test period - currently set to 5 seconds by default</p>
<p>14:23 < jrandom> the previous release had a hard limit of 30 seconds, but you can configure your own tunnel test time by updating http://localhost:7657/configadvanced.jsp and adding "router.tunnelTestMinimum=10000" (or whatever - that value is in milliseconds)</p>
<p>14:23 < deer_><newsbyte> those seconds, are they alchimagical?</p>
<p>14:24 < jrandom> the 5s default should be fine though</p>
<p>14:24 < deer_><Demokritos> I actually upgraded Tor the day before yesterday because it stopped working, and now the network is telling me again, I have a non compatible version... what the.. </p>
<p>14:24 < jrandom> newsbyte: the tunnel test time is MAX(avgTunnelTestTime*2, minTunnelTestTime)</p>
<p>14:25 < jrandom> (we have the minTunnelTestTime because otherwise a series of fast tests could cause a cascading failure)</p>
<p>14:26 < jrandom> more details can be found in http://dev.i2p.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/i2p/history.txt?rev=HEAD</p>
<p>14:26 < deer_><newsbyte> hmm</p>
<p>14:26 < deer_><Demokritos> this is really funny... a job agency wants me to use Internet Explorer, otherwise I'm not able to register an application</p>
<p>14:27 < jrandom> *cough* y'all realize these meeting logs go on the web, right? :)</p>
<p>14:27 < deer_><Demokritos><-- not too good in english</p>
<p>14:27 < deer_><newsbyte> they do?!</p>
<p>14:27 < deer_><newsbyte> Hi mum!</p>
<p>14:31 < deer_><baffled> what type of speed up/through put do you expect?</p>
<p>14:31 < jrandom> i expect significant throughput improvements</p>
<p>14:32 < deer_><newsbyte> he expects a fine, he said</p>
<p>14:32 < deer_><newsbyte> for speeding</p>
<p>14:32 < deer_><newsbyte> ;-)</p>
<p>14:32 < jrandom> in addition, for small request/response connections, the latency will be dramatically reduced</p>
<p>14:32 < jrandom> (cut in half)</p>
<p>14:32 < deer_><dinoman> wow</p>
<p>14:32 < deer_><dinoman> is that using udp?</p>
<p>14:33 < jrandom> the new lib exposes all the neat tunable parameters for normal TCP stacks too, so apps will be able to tweak out their own setup</p>
<p>14:33 < jrandom> no dinoman, this works on top of i2p's I2CP</p>
<p>14:33 < deer_><dinoman> wow x2</p>
<p>14:33 < jrandom> (though we'll be writing similar code in a month or so to get the UDP transport..)</p>
<p>14:34 < jrandom> there's still a lot of work to do</p>
<p>14:34 < jrandom> because what?</p>
<p>14:34 < deer_><newsbyte> well, can't tcp do it as well?</p>
<p>14:35 < jrandom> oh, why we're going to go UDP? http://www.i2p.net/todo#transport</p>
<p>14:35 < deer_><newsbyte> I remember the same discussion on freenet too, but they sticked to tcp as yet</p>
<p>14:35 < jrandom> plus TCP is a general purpose streaming transport - we can dramatically simplify it, since we can put up with a certain degree of out of order</p>
<p>14:35 < deer_><newsbyte> not that all decisions they make are good ;-)</p>
<p>14:36 < jrandom> newsbyte: i've followed those discussions and we're going to go udp</p>
<p>14:36 < jrandom> (that doesnt mean freenet is wrong - they've got different constraints)</p>
<p>14:37 < deer_><Ragnarok> i2p should not be compared too closely to freenet. They're very different technically.</p>
<p>14:37 < deer_><newsbyte> (or: they ARE wrong ;-)</p>
<p>14:37 < jrandom> i dont think their use of TCP right now is wrong, just as I dont think I2P's previous use of TCP is wrong. progress requires small steps</p>
<p>14:38 < deer_><mule_iip> newsbyte makes sure the meetings don't get too short</p>
<p>14:38 < jrandom> heh</p>
<p>14:38 < deer_><newsbyte> yeah, nothing worse then short meetings</p>
<p>14:38 < deer_><newsbyte> you can't eat all the popcorn and drink all the beer, then</p>
<p>14:39 < jrandom> if not, 4) files.i2p</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><Ragnarok> I think we're cool</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><newsbyte> well, I know I am</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><newsbyte> ;-)</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><newsbyte> and funny too</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><newsbyte> most of the time</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><newsbyte> and also annoying</p>
<p>14:39 < deer_><newsbyte> ;-)</p>
<p>14:39 < jrandom> well, i just wanted to point out files.i2p - a new search engine on i2p</p>
<p>14:40 < deer_><newsbyte> ah, I see</p>
<p>14:40 < deer_><newsbyte> I was hoping it would be about putting eepsites up</p>
<p>14:40 < jrandom> one interesting thing to note is that you can reach eepsites that aren't up anymore with it, since it caches</p>
<p>14:41 < deer_><baffled> does it cache everything?</p>
<p>14:41 < deer_><newsbyte> all searchengines thusfar are server-side?</p>
<p>14:41 < deer_><Ragnarok> interesting. Shouldn't be too hard, these days :).</p>
<p>14:41 < jrandom> baffled: caches text/html from what i can tell</p>
<p>14:42 < deer_><mule_iip> at least it has limits on file size and types, so won't cache movies</p>
<p>14:42 < deer_><baffled> Auh, that's what I thought not binary.</p>
<p>14:42 < deer_><newsbyte> I mean, they are not in js, I suppose?</p>
<p>14:43 < jrandom> it uses nutch if anyone wants to look into it further. or i'm sure we'll get the site author to put up a feedback form or something ;)</p>
<p>14:43 < jrandom> newsbyte: correct, this is just a normal website hosted anonymously</p>
<p>14:43 < jrandom> the site contains a search engine (like google)</p>
<p>14:44 < jrandom> anyway, i just wanted to mention it</p>
<p>14:44 < jrandom> there have also been a lot of blogs popping up lately, which imho is really cool</p>
<p>14:44 < jrandom> my 'eep' bookmark folder almost fills a screen :)</p>
<p>14:44 < deer_><Ragnarok> hehe, myi2p is happening all by itself :)</p>
<p>14:45 < jrandom> you just have to bring up the sore points, dont ya ragnarok? ;)</p>
<p>14:46 < jrandom> ok, anyone have any questions/comments/concerns wrt files.i2p?</p>
<p>14:46 < jrandom> if not, let me move on to 4.1) biff</p>
<p>14:46 * jrandom almost forgot biff</p>
<p>14:46 < jrandom> postman, you arond?</p>
<p>14:47 < deer_><newsbyte> I think he's biffed up</p>
<p>14:47 < jrandom> well, if not, biff is this new kickass mail notification bot</p>
<p>14:47 < jrandom> if you've got an email acct at mail.i2p, you can tell biff to notify you when you get new mail</p>
<p>14:47 < deer_><newsbyte> does it has archives?</p>
<p>14:48 < jrandom> newsbyte: biff is just a notification bot, the mail is stored on the mail server (and accessed with your normal mail reader - kmail, etc)</p>
<p>14:48 < jrandom> see http://www.postman.i2p/</p>
<p>14:49 < jrandom> ok, so, yeah, go to the eepsite or check out #mail.i2p over there</p>
<p>14:49 < deer_><newsbyte> I will, as soon as I get my eepsite on</p>
<p>14:49 * jrandom doesnt really know much more wrt biff - redirect any questions to postman</p>
<p>14:50 < jrandom> instead, we can move on to 5) ???</p>
<p>14:50 < jrandom> does anyone have anything else they want to bring up?</p>
<p>14:50 < deer_> * mule_iip raising hand to get voice: would like to recall my persistent FCP over I2P problems. but probably that can wait and will automagically be solved by 0.4.2.</p>
<p>14:50 < deer_><newsbyte> yes, and the freeze</p>
<p>14:50 < jrandom> i hope so mule_iip</p>
<p>14:50 < deer_><mule_iip> ok, will be your test platform :)</p>
<p>14:50 < jrandom> newsbyte: is there anything we need to discuss about it? could you just email me your logs if it happens again?</p>
<p>14:51 * jrandom will definitelytake you up on that</p>
<p>14:51 < deer_><newsbyte> well...can i still send those, if everything is frozen?</p>
<p>14:51 < jrandom> the files are written to disk. </p>
<p>14:51 < jrandom> when you restart, send me the logs</p>
<p>14:51 < deer_><newsbyte> I mean, in that case, I could send it now, since they should be somewhere </p>
<p>14:51 < jrandom> (please)</p>
<p>14:51 < deer_><dinoman> i was in the forum and see that the jabber service is gone. was thaat of us to anyone if it was i would like to run one if it would be cool?</p>
<p>14:51 < jrandom> the files rotate though newsbyte</p>
<p>14:52 < jrandom> duck and demonic_1 have had jabber servers at various times, but it seems most of the i2p IM activity has been on irc</p>
<p>14:52 < deer_><newsbyte> the files rotate? surely it stores quite some data before it starts deleting?</p>
<p>14:53 < jrandom> newsbyte: ok, send me your logs, maybe it has something in it</p>
<p>14:53 < deer_><newsbyte> good</p>
<p>14:53 < deer_><newsbyte> ermm</p>
<p>14:54 < deer_><newsbyte> darn</p>
<p>14:54 < deer_><newsbyte> a lot of .logs</p>
<p>14:54 < deer_><dinoman> ok</p>
<p>14:54 < deer_><newsbyte> a noob is never gonna follow this</p>
<p>14:54 < deer_><newsbyte> I guess you're right in not making a /. article yet</p>
<p>14:57 < deer_><newsbyte> a good idea!</p>
<p>14:57 < deer_><newsbyte> there is only one little problem with it: It's not up yet</p>
<p>14:57 < jrandom> ok, anyone else have anything they want to bring up?</p>
<p>14:57 < jrandom> well, we can work on that newsbyte</p>
<p>14:57 < jrandom> (after the meeting)</p>
<p>14:59 < deer_><newsbyte> thnks, but whoo is already helping</p>
<p>14:59 < jrandom> if there's nothing else...</p>
<p>14:59 < deer_><newsbyte> we need a detailed howto/wiki/helpsite/something, though</p>
<p>14:59 * jrandom winds up</p>
<p>14:59 < deer_><Jake_> i'd like to say, for the meeting, if a public release of i2p can be made before the u.s. election on november 2nd, this would go a long way to helping ensure a stable democracy </p>
<p>14:59 < deer_><newsbyte> what about 6)?</p>
<p>14:59 < jrandom> newsbyte: would you like to work on that?</p>
<p>15:00 < jrandom> newsbyte: i do agree it'd be great to get some more howtos and help info</p>
<p>15:00 < deer_><Ragnarok> 6) There is no.... number 6</p>
<p>15:00 < deer_><newsbyte> well, yeah, sort of, but it's a strange thing, with me</p>
<p>15:00 < deer_><newsbyte> I'm pro-wiki and public thingy and free for everyone and all that</p>
<p>15:00 < deer_><newsbyte> but my ego protests and wants minimal control</p>
<p>15:00 < jrandom> great</p>
<p>15:00 < deer_><newsbyte> go figger</p>
<p>15:00 < jrandom> heh</p>
<p>15:01 < jrandom> well, if you'd like to make your own eepsite into a wiki you control, that'd be great too</p>
