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<p>13:53 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ok, as i'm here, is there anyone interested in having a brief meeting wrt the notes (or something else)?</p>
<p>13:54 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; anything in the notes people are concerned with, thoughts not related to 'em that people want to bring up, or other issues relevent and timely?</p>
<p>13:54 &lt;@smeghead&gt; sure</p>
<p>13:54 &lt;+protokol&gt; is icepick here?</p>
<p>13:55 &lt;+protokol&gt; i am wondering if i2p-mnet is testable yet and/or an ETA on it</p>
<p>13:55 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; idle for 9 hours atm..</p>
<p>13:56 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; from the channel logs, it didnt sound workable, but he did get the basic SAM integration going</p>
<p>13:56 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; i'm sure we'll hear more when there's more to hear</p>
<p>13:56 &lt;+protokol&gt; cooool</p>
<p>13:57 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; smeghead: has -1 fixed your port migration issue?</p>
<p>13:57 &lt;@smeghead&gt; i haven't noticed any funny business</p>
<p>13:58 &lt;@smeghead&gt; in 3 days or so</p>
<p>13:58 &lt;@cervantes&gt; glad to say I haven't had a loss of service for a day or two</p>
<p>13:58 &lt;@smeghead&gt; i think i can call it fixed</p>
<p>13:58 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; wr0d</p>
<p>13:58 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; (^2)</p>
<p>13:59 &lt;@cervantes&gt; and thetower is only reconnecting every 4 minutes now...so the network health in general must be improving</p>
<p>13:59 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; heh</p>
<p>13:59 &lt;+thetower&gt; A fresh install seemed to fix the problem, but it was really quite disturbing and I never could find a good reason for it.</p>
<p>14:00 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; hmm</p>
<p>14:00 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; was it irc only, or were you losing many peers?</p>
<p>14:00 &lt;@cervantes&gt; gremlins</p>
<p>14:01 &lt;+thetower&gt; Is it possible that changing the router.config file without restarting i2p would have caused the crashes?</p>
<p>14:01 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; hmm, no, i change router.config often</p>
<p>14:01 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; or, is there a particular change you're concerned with?</p>
<p>14:02 &lt;@cervantes&gt; I remember copying over my jbigi lib once while the router was still running.... THAT caused problems ;-)</p>
<p>14:02 &lt;+thetower&gt; I set up some script to alter the bandwidth limits based on current network usage and I was wondering if that was causing the problem.</p>
<p>14:02 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; heh yeah cervantes, that'll always kill the router</p>
<p>14:03 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ah ok, no, that shouldnt be a problem... though... if it altered the limits to be too small for messages to get through...</p>
<p>14:04 &lt;+thetower&gt; Well, it had fairly reasonable lower limits so I guess that wasn't it.</p>
<p>14:04 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ok cool, just checkin~ :)</p>
<p>14:05 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; i suppose we'll have 0.6.0.1 tomorrow then, as -1 seems to be a pretty good improvement</p>
<p>14:05 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; it'll be backwards compat, etc, yadda yadda.</p>
<p>14:06 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; anything else y'all know that needs to get pushed out there?</p>
<p>14:06 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; whats the status with i2phex?</p>
<p>14:06 &lt;@smeghead&gt; maybe push the cvs hosts.txt to dev.i2p.net... the current one is months old</p>
<p>14:06 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; i did the other night iirc</p>
<p>14:07 &lt;@smeghead&gt; sirup hasn't been around in a couple of weeks</p>
<p>14:07 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ooh, hmmm..</p>
<p>14:07 &lt;@smeghead&gt; it's summer though</p>
<p>14:07 &lt;@smeghead&gt; maybe on holiday or something</p>
<p>14:08 &lt;@cervantes&gt; or he's been bum-raped by the riaa</p>
<p>14:08 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ah yeah, its up there (it was just cached on squid.i2p)</p>
<p>14:08 &lt;@smeghead&gt; riaaped?</p>
<p>14:09 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ($Id: meeting141.html,v 1.2 2005-08-04 16:21:39 duck Exp $)</p>
<p>14:09 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; *cough*</p>
<p>14:09 &lt;+bar&gt; there are some things that need to be added to bugzilla, like i2p 0.6 and java 1.5</p>
<p>14:09 &lt;@smeghead&gt; ok</p>
<p>14:09 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ah right, yeah i still havent gotten my laptop online yet (grr)</p>
<p>14:10 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ((the weekly status notes needed to be burnt to cd... a 1KB cd...))</p>
<p>14:10 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; woah heya mihi</p>
<p>14:10 &lt;@duck&gt; hi mihi!</p>
<p>14:10 &lt; mihi&gt; hi all :)</p>
<p>14:10 &lt;@cervantes&gt; could be dm :)</p>
<p>14:10 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; heh</p>
<p>14:10 &lt;@smeghead&gt; indeed</p>
<p>14:10 &lt;@cervantes&gt; 'lo mihi</p>
<p>14:10 &lt; mihi&gt; seemed to require a bit of tweaking in the config file till my router believed that *only* 8887/udp is open...</p>
<p>14:11  * jrandom2p mentioned i2ptunnel in the status notes and mihi appears ;)</p>
<p>14:11 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ah, hmm, the i2np.udp.fixedPort=true thing?</p>
<p>14:11 &lt; mihi&gt; hmm? was it there?</p>
<p>14:11  * mihi read status notes only quickly</p>
<p>14:11 &lt; mihi&gt; hmm... is that better solution?</p>
<p>14:12  * mihi just reset the port to 8887 and restarted hard until it did not change the port...</p>
<p>14:12 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; whats the tweak you did to your router.config to make it believe only 8886?</p>
<p>14:12 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; er, 8887</p>
<p>14:12 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; hah</p>
<p>14:12 &lt;@cervantes&gt; can we perhaps rename I2PTunnel as you suggested to something like I2PProxy...?</p>
<p>14:12 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ok, yeah, use i2np.udp.fixedPort=true</p>
<p>14:12 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; (deployed in 0.6-1 and to be released asap as 0.6.0.1)</p>
<p>14:12 &lt;@cervantes&gt; it can get very confusing talking about "the tunnel config page"</p>
<p>14:13 &lt;+thetower&gt; Oh I have a question, isn't i2p supposed to automatically detect which udp port to use? And if so, is it supposed to be hard coded in the default router.config?</p>
<p>14:13 &lt; mihi&gt; hmmkay...</p>
<p>14:14 &lt; mihi&gt; seems that i2p changed the port once again</p>
<p>14:14 &lt; mihi&gt; expect me to be away soon :)</p>
<p>14:14 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; thetower: yes, it should automatically detect, but there are some funky tap dances that we~re going through at the moment </p>
<p>14:14 &lt;@cervantes&gt; mihi: d'you have the latest cvs?</p>
<p>14:14 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; thats what the whole PeerTest thing is about (making it so that we always automatically configure it properly)</p>
<p>14:14 &lt; mihi&gt; nope.</p>
<p>14:14 &lt;@cervantes&gt; mihi: that would be why then :)</p>
<p>14:15 &lt; mihi&gt; only the version from i2pupdate.zip</p>
<p>14:15 &lt;@cervantes&gt; mihi: 0.6 has RandomPort (tm) functionality</p>
<p>14:15 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; heh</p>
<p>14:16 &lt;@cervantes&gt; :)</p>
<p>14:16 &lt;+ant&gt; * mihi 'd like FixedPorto functionality :)</p>
<p>14:16 &lt;+ant&gt; <mihi> and disconnected...</p>
<p>14:16 &lt;@cervantes&gt; then you'd need  0.6-1 FixedPort Pro</p>
<p>14:16 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; heh</p>
<p>14:16 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ok, anyone else have something to bring up for the meeting?</p>
<p>14:16 &lt;@cervantes&gt; or wait for 0.6.0.1</p>
<p>14:17 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; how has the latency/throughput been, barring the intermittent reachability?</p>
<p>14:17 &lt;+ant&gt; <mihi> hmm. here is a cvs checkout from 2004-10-06. should try to update it :)</p>
<p>14:17 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; !thwap mihi</p>
<p>14:18 &lt;@cervantes&gt; I got i2pinstall.jar at 110k/sec from dev.i2p yesterday on a single stream</p>
<p>14:18 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; nice</p>
<p>14:19 &lt;@cervantes&gt; and 320k/sec using multiple</p>
<p>14:19 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; w0ah</p>
<p>14:19 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; 0hop, i assume</p>
<p>14:19 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; (dev.i2p is 0hop)</p>
<p>14:19 &lt;@cervantes&gt; yup</p>
<p>14:19 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ((in case you couldn't tell ;)</p>
<p>14:19 &lt;@cervantes&gt; ;-)</p>
<p>14:19 &lt;+thetower&gt; download to:    GTA San Andreas</p>
<p>14:19 &lt;+thetower&gt; download rate:  28.51 kB/s</p>
<p>14:20 &lt;@cervantes&gt; that was from multiple sources though...</p>
<p>14:20 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ah cool thetower </p>
<p>14:20 &lt;@cervantes&gt; managed to push squid.i2p up to about 280</p>
<p>14:21 &lt; lucky&gt; jrandom2p :)</p>
<p>14:21 &lt; lucky&gt; would you push the new hosts.txt to the site</p>
<p>14:21 &lt;@cervantes&gt; lucky: tis done</p>
<p>14:21 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; yeah, once we can consistently pull that sort of rate cervantes, we'll need to add on some configurable delays to let people do 0hops safely</p>
<p>14:22 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; (so it delays AVG(tunnelTestTime/2) but doesnt waste bw or lose messages)</p>
<p>14:22 &lt;@cervantes&gt; to hide the fact that it's a 0 hop tunnel?</p>
<p>14:22 &lt; lucky&gt; i wonder if I2P will ever have speeds decent enough tha ti could let people log into my virtu-vax</p>
<p>14:23 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; yeah.  otherwise, if you say "hey i~m getting 300KBps from your site", you can pretty safely guess that its 2 0hop tunnels</p>
<p>14:23 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; (otoh, 1 to 2 to 3 to 4hops don't have such a dramatic cut)</p>
<p>14:23 &lt;@cervantes&gt; so will i2p effectively have a bandwidth cap</p>
<p>14:23 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ((as once you force true tunnel operation, each intermediate hop isn't much))</p>
<p>14:24 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; nah cervantes, large windows + delays </p>
<p>14:24  * cervantes cancels his plans for HDTV streaming anonymous pr0n</p>
<p>14:24 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; you can just have more messages in the air to get the same rate</p>
<p>14:25 &lt;@cervantes&gt; ah right</p>
<p>14:25 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; (but it'll take a few more rtts to get to the larger window, of course)</p>
<p>14:25 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; ok, anyone have anything else to bring up?</p>
<p>14:26 &lt; mihi&gt; bring up a *baf*er :)</p>
<p>14:26 &lt;@cervantes&gt; it's gone rusty with missuse</p>
<p>14:27 &lt; jrandom2p&gt; heh i suppose its time ;)</p>
<p>14:27  * jrandom2p winds up</p>
<p>14:27  * jrandom2p *baf*s the meeting closed</p>
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