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Considering we did not have a very official meeting do to Jrand0m not

feeling very well, here are my logs of the meeting from slightly

before it started to sometime after it ended. I have edited out the

kick offs and start screens from iip restarting at least twice during

that period. If someone else has better logs feel free to replace

these. (baffled)

<human> baffled: we're experimenting a psychic communication towards jrand0m, to ask him to be here for the meeting

<human> baffled: just focus your mind on him, and help us

> Don't we have to hold hands or something like that?

<human> baffled: if it helps you focusing your mind... well, yes

> Cool, gimme your hand I'm commensing to focus!

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<DrWoo?> human: doesn't he make up a pre meeting agenda, you can grab that and direct the meeting

<human> DrWoo?: er... why me?

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<human> DrWoo?: (i didn't see any meeting agenda, though)

<DrWoo?> human: why not, you're sober

<wilde> let's make an agenda ourselves

<DrWoo?> yeah you guys know the general issues

<wilde> there are many topics to discuss

<wilde> funding, strategy, marketing, website, recruiting more developers and powerusers, etc

<human> wilde: i agree, we could informally talk about the recent history of I2P

<DrWoo?> wilde: open a text window and quickly make a numbered agenda

> As the first item don't we need to add massive responsibilites to jrandom in absentia?

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<wilde> back

> you're the first to say anything your in charge.

<wilde> who? me?

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> quit looking surprised.

<DrWoo?> you guys are funny :)

> hey jar.

<jar> 'lo baffled :)

<jar> 'lo i2p !

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> We elected wild to run the meeting because he was the first to say anything after meeting time.

<wilde> ok

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<wilde> 1. Hello

<wilde> 2. Status I2P

<wilde> 3. How to help I2P Project

<wilde> 4. Recruiting more developers

<wilde> 5. Raising money (donations, selling t-shirts)

<wilde> 6. General discussion

<human> jrand0m: has appeared!!!

<wilde> hey jrand0m!

> I'll take a t-shirt.

<human> our experiment succeeded!!!

<jrand0m> shit thought I missed it :)

> You better look back through the log jrandom.

<wilde> ok boss you could modify the agenda as you like

<jrand0m> http://i2p.dnsalias.net/pipermail/i2p/2004-February/000144.html

> Are the t-shirts good?

<jrand0m> they had better be

> No apology necessary or expected.

<wilde> np, we prepared an emergency plan

<wilde> everyone taking a job at McDonalds? and hiring indian programmers for the money

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<jrand0m> hah nice

<jrand0m> perhaps we can jump into that agenda, or are we on 1, 2, 3, 6?

<wilde> 0.

<wilde> 1. Hello

<wilde> Hello I2P

<fidd> hi

<jrand0m> hi

<jar> hi

<kaji> ah, i made it

<wilde> last hellos? going once, going twice...

<kaji> hi

> Which agenda the one you posted or the oone wild posted?

<jrand0m> perhaps I can help out with agenda 2) status

<wilde> 2. Status I2P

<jrand0m> the router, as is, is nonfunctional

<wilde> so how are we post-testnet?

> can we cote on that?

<jrand0m> post testnet, yes, but I introduced two bugs in the process

> vote.

<jrand0m> vote on whether its nonfunctional?

> Right.

<kaji> its dead for me

> oh, nevermind.

> well, we held hands and you appeared.

<jrand0m> hey, worth a shot ;)

> does that make them bogobugs?

> oh wooooow!

<kaji> i switched to j2sdk1.4.2_03 to get ant to work on XP, i wonder how much of and effect it has on the router not working

<wilde> so there's a short i2p vacation

<jrand0m> none, I use that build on xp

<jrand0m> the bug is programmer error, probably a trivial one too

<jrand0m> (but quite fatal)

<jrand0m> right wilde

<jrand0m> but after that, I've been making a bunch of progress on the docs for 0.2.5 and 0.3

<jrand0m> so I don't think they'll be a full two weeks out

<jrand0m> but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

<wilde> nice, any application improvments anyone?

<jrand0m> one idea - on the testnet, we focused a lot on irc and echo, more than eepsites

> Do you think they suffered for that? I certainly do.

<jrand0m> having lots of clients (aka destinations) on a single router increases the load, and we may want to think about trimming down our test scope, perhaps

<jrand0m> there's also a discussion wrt perhaps revisiting the keysize of the crypto to reduce the load (for another day after we have more metrics, etc)

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> What do you consider a lot of clients on one router?

<jrand0m> I dont know, I would like once 0.2.4.x is out and usable that we can use both IRC and eepsites

<jrand0m> that depends on the computer

<wilde> so what's best for now? eepsites or irc?

<jrand0m> anyway, we can see as 0.2.4.x comes out. perhaps both will be fine again.

<wilde> yeah but what's most useful for debugging? continous connections or sporadic ones?

<jrand0m> both ;)

<wilde> lighweight irc, or eep graphics?

<jrand0m> i2p needs to support long term streaming connections and short term bursty ones

<kaji> what about heavy long downloads?

<jrand0m> right, long term streaming connections

<jrand0m> (though I do think filesharing over i2p would best be served with i2psnark via messages, ala udp)

<wilde> the question really is: you suggested narrowing the test scope, was that to IRC or EEP?

<wilde> (or something else)

<jrand0m> two or three clients will be fine, I just know that running 4+ services may be a bit of an overload for the time being (depending on people's computer)

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<wilde> ok, that's probably wise

<jrand0m> anyone have any dev status for client apps?

<wilde> so the focus should be on services that can us some statistics, like the irc scripts

<jrand0m> that is definitely key.

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<jrand0m> woah

<jrand0m> hi Newsbyte

<Newsbyte> ah, jran

<Newsbyte> huh?

<Newsbyte> I never come here

<jrand0m> also, the echo server and client app is great at gathering stats, and doesn't have any irc-specific dependencies.

<wilde> nothing

<Newsbyte> besides, what's an I2P meeting without nop? ;-)

<DrWoo?> wilde: heh somehow I dont think hes here for the meeting :)

<human> would an eepsite monitoring tool be useful?

<Newsbyte> no nop, no meeting

<wilde> jrand0m: is there something else you'd like to have statistics in the network?

<jrand0m> human> certainly - perhaps some way to do periodic pings of eepsites, maybe keeping track of changes even?

<human> jrand0m: keeping track of what changes?

<jrand0m> I think with the irc scripts giving us long term disconnect / reliability stats, plus the echo app giving us latency, the only thing left is really throughput

<jrand0m> content on the page changing

<Newsbyte> yes, and use more then one server

<wilde> a kb/s meter, I2P Pirate Radio someone?

<jrand0m> hmm? right, when the net is up we usually have between 4-10 servers

<human> jrand0m: it's doable but... how would you use the content change information?

<kaji> i ran a shoutcast stream for a while

<jrand0m> human> that particular aspect wouldn't help me, but would let users use the test (which would tell them whats changed, as well as get them to run the test more [generate more traffic])

<jrand0m> nice kaji

<jrand0m> yeah, aum's streams were up periodically as well

<human> jrand0m: oh, ok, now i understand

<mihi> jrand0m: a chargen service? ;)

<madman2003> bye everyone, good luck with i2p

<wilde> so throuhput is one stat that would be interesting/useful

<jrand0m> later madman2003

<wilde> cya madman2003

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> Well, I have another meeting at five as usual so I'll bbl. Remember to put me down for a t-shirt.

<jrand0m> yes mihi, that'd work (but streaming .ogg sounds cooler)

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<wilde> hey

<wilde> is the network unstable?

<wilde> I just couldn't get back on

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<lucky> yea

<lucky> its a bit... ugh.

<lucky> recently.

<wilde> what happened to the meeting?

<lucky> probably got decimated

<wilde> ok lucky what was the last thing you saw from the meeting? (msg me)

<lucky> <wilde> cya madman2003

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<lucky> <jrand0m> yes mihi, that'd work (but streaming .ogg sounds cooler)

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<wilde> ok that's where it ended for me too

<fidd> me2

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<kaji> the meeting got nuked

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<kaji> ping?

<jar> pong!

<kaji> ok

<kaji> ithough it crashed again

<jar> yep :(

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<kaji> so... meeting?

<jar> ending brutaly ...

<jar> more signs of jrandom, it seems it's all for the moment

<jar> next move on 0.2.4.2 in few days ....

<jar> (one or two as said jr)

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<kaji> wilde said something about funding, but last time i asked jran he said i2p wasnt in a position to need money atm

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<mihi> hmm, what happened to the meeting?

<mihi> ;)

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<mihi> no one knowing anything about the meeting?

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<lucky> mihi, we lall got kicked for the meoeting

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<mihi> ok, nite

<duck> hello

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Signoff: mihi (let's have more luck next week...)

<duck> did I miss anything?

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