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<nop> ok, meeting started

<nop> what's on the agenda

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<hezekiah> Tue Aug 5 21:03:10 UTC 2003

<hezekiah> Welcome to the Nth iip-dev meeting.

<hezekiah> What's on the agenda?

<thecrypto> Tue Aug 5 21:02:44 UTC 2003

<thecrypto> synced to a NTP stratum 2 :)

<hezekiah> Tue Aug 5 21:03:13 UTC 2003

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<hezekiah> Just synced to NIST. :)

<mihi> this sync does not help w/ iip delays ;)

<jrand0m> nop: things I want to see covered: java dev status, java crypto

status, python dev status, sdk status, naming service

<hezekiah> (We're going into the naming service _already_?)

<jrand0m> not design you wanker, thats co's schpeel. just talk about stuff

if there's stuff to talk about.

<hezekiah> Ah

* jrand0m puts LART away

<jrand0m> anything else on the agenda?

<jrand0m> or shall we dig in?

<hezekiah> Well, I can't think of anything else to add.

<hezekiah> Ah!

<hezekiah> Oh!

<jrand0m> ok. java dev status:

<hezekiah> Good.

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<nop> ok

<nop> agenda

<nop> 1) Welcome

<jrand0m> as of today, there is a java client API with a stub java router

that can talk to each other. in addition, there is an application called ATalk

allowing anonymous IM + file transfer.

<nop> 2) IIP 1.1 blackouts

<nop> 3) I2P

<nop> 4) The End with comments and stuff

* jrand0m goes back to corner

<nop> sorry

joeyo jrand0m Aug 05 17:08:24 * hezekiah gives jrand0m a dunce hat to wear in

the corner. ;-)

<nop> sorry about that

<nop> didn't see you started there

<nop> maybe I should go in corner

<hezekiah> lol

<jrand0m> no worry. item 1)

* hezekiah hands nop a dunce hat too. :)

<nop> ok welcome everybuddy

<nop> blah blah

<nop> 2) IIP 1.1 blackouts

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<hezekiah> 52nd iip-dev meeting and all that good rot!

<nop> the server recently had some issues with the hard drive sectors and has

been replaced

<nop> I plan to be moving the darn server into a more stable environment with

redundancy

<nop> and possibly lend out control of multiple ircd servers

<nop> dunno

<nop> that's something to be discussed

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<nop> hopefully our servers should stay up now since the harddrive was replaced

<nop> sorry about the inconvenience folks

<nop> 3) I2P - Jrand0m take it away

<nop> come out of the corner jrand0m

* hezekiah goes over to the corner, pulls jrand0m off his chair, drags him

to the podium, takes away his dunce hat, and hands him the mic.

* nop goes into that corner to fill his place

<hezekiah> lol!

<jrand0m> sorry, back

* nop grabs dunce hat from hezekiah

* nop puts it on his head

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* jrand0m just watches the show

<jrand0m> er... um ok

<hezekiah> jrand0m: i2p, java status, etc. Talk man!

<jrand0m> so, as of today, there is a java client API with a stub java

router that can talk to each other. in addition, there is an application called

ATalk allowing anonymous IM + file transfer.

<hezekiah> File transfer already!?

<jrand0m> si sr

<hezekiah> Wow.

<hezekiah> I'm sure behind the times.

<jrand0m> but not the most graceful

<hezekiah> lol

<jrand0m> it takes a file and tosses it in a message

<hezekiah> Ouch.

<nop> how long did 1.8 mb local transfer take?

<jrand0m> I've tested with a 4K file and a 1.8Mb file

<jrand0m> a few seconds

<nop> nice

<nop> :)

<hezekiah> Does the java stuff do real encryption yet, or does it still

fake that?

<nop> fake

<nop> even I know that

<nop> :)

<jrand0m> I warmed it up by talking to myself first [e.g. one window to

another, saying hi] so it didn't deal with the overhead of the first elg

<jrand0m> right, its faked largely

<thecrypto> most of the encryption is fake

<thecrypto> that's being worked on though

<hezekiah> Of course. :)

<jrand0m> definitely.

<jrand0m> on that front, wanna give us an update thecrypto?

<thecrypto> well, right now i'm done with ElGamal and SHA256

<thecrypto> right now I'm working on generating primes for DSA

<thecrypto> I'll send out 5 and then we can just pick one

<hezekiah> nop: Didn't you have prime(s) coming for use with DSA?

<thecrypto> We also have some benchmarks on ElGamal and SHA256

<thecrypto> And they are all fast

<jrand0m> latest benchmarks w/ elg:

<jrand0m> Key Generation Time Average: 4437 total: 443759 min:

872 max: 21110 Keygen/second: 0

<jrand0m> Encryption Time Average : 356 total: 35657 min:

431 max: 611 Encryption Bps: 179

<jrand0m> Decryption Time Average : 983 total: 98347 min:

881 max: 2143 Decryption Bps: 65

<hezekiah> min and max: are they in seconds?

<jrand0m> note that the Bps isn't really useful, as we only encrypt/decrypt

64 bytes

<thecrypto> ms

<jrand0m> no, sorry, those are all milliseconds

<hezekiah> Cool. :)

<hezekiah> And this is done in java?

<thecrypto> yes

<thecrypto> pure java

<hezekiah> OK. I am officiall impressed. :)

<jrand0m> 100%. P4 1.8

<thecrypto> they are about the same on my 800 Mhz

<hezekiah> How can I do the same tests?

<jrand0m> sha256 benchmark:

<jrand0m> Short Message Time Average : 0 total: 0 min: 0 max:

0 Bps: NaN

<jrand0m> Medium Message Time Average : 1 total: 130 min: 0 max:

10 Bps: 7876923

<jrand0m> Long Message Time Average : 146 total: 14641 min:

130 max: 270 Bps: 83037

<thecrypto> run the ElGamalBench program

<hezekiah> OK.

<hezekiah> I'll go find it.

<jrand0m> (short size: ~10 bytes, medium ~10KB, long ~ 1MB)

<jrand0m> java -cp i2p.jar ElGamalBench

<jrand0m> (after running "ant all")

<hezekiah> jrand0m: Thanks. :)

<jrand0m> np

<thecrypto> The NaN thing means it's so fast that we end up dividing by 0

it's so fast :)

<hezekiah> What's the sha bench?

<jrand0m> java -cp i2p.jar SHA256Bench

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<hezekiah> OK.

<jrand0m> we'll probably want to move those to be main() methods of the

associated engines, but they're good where they are atm

<hezekiah> Let's see how fast all this is on an AMD K6-2 333MHz (which is

a chip not well know for its integer math.)

<jrand0m> heh

<jrand0m> ok so we have DSA and AES left, right?

<jrand0m> this is all wikked thecrypto. nice work.

<thecrypto> yup

<jrand0m> can I nag you for an ETA on the other two? ;)

<hezekiah> If this is anywhere near as fast on my box as it is on yours,

you have to show me how you do that. ;-)

<thecrypto> DSA should be done almost as soon as i have primes ready

<nop> hezekiah have you tried the sslcrypto for python

<thecrypto> copying some code around from the prime generator and things like

that and it's done

<nop> the one off that link

<hezekiah> nop: sslcrypto won't do us any good.

<hezekiah> nop: It doesn't implment ElGamal _or_ AES _or_ sha256.

<thecrypto> AES is mostly done except that there is some error somewhere that

i'm still trying to pick out and destroy, once i have that, it'll be done

<jrand0m> thecrypto> so by friday, DSA keygen, sign, verify, and AES encrypt,

decrypt for arbitrary size inputs?

<nop> the one on McNab's site does not?

<thecrypto> yeah

<nop> darn

<thecrypto> should be friday

<thecrypto> most likey thursday

<jrand0m> thecrypto> does that include the UnsignedBigInteger stuff?

<thecrypto> i'll be missing next weeks meeting because of summer camp, and

i'll be back after that

<thecrypto> jrand0m: prolly not

<jrand0m> ok.

<jrand0m> so for the time being, interoperability between java and python

is b0rked.

<jrand0m> for crypto, that is.

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<jrand0m> (aka for signatures, keys, encryption, and decryption)

<nop> hmm maybe we should focus more on C/C++

<thecrypto> well, once we get it working completely we can then make sure

both java and python can speak to each other

<jrand0m> while you're out I'll look into the unsigned stuff.

<jeremiah> can someone email me a backlog? jeremiah@kingprimate.com

<hezekiah> jeremiah: Give me a minute. :)

<jrand0m> nop> do we have devs for C/C++?

<nop> I have one guy yes

<nop> and Hezekiah we know could do it

<jrand0m> or perhaps we can get a python dev status update from hezekiah +

jeremiah to see when we'll have more people for the c/c++ dev

<jrand0m> right, of course. but hez+jeremiah are working on python atm

(right?)

<hezekiah> Yeah.

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<hezekiah> I'm sort of giving poor jeremiah lots of trouble.

<nop> I was just saying if python won't be fast speeds

<hezekiah> Python is mainly for me to understand this network.

<nop> ahh

<hezekiah> Once, I get it to basically follow the complete spec, I intend

to hand it off to jeremiah to do with as he sees fit.

<hezekiah> It's not meant to be a killer implementation of the spec.

<hezekiah> (If I wanted that, I'd use C++.)

<jeremiah> well there aren't any really processor intensive parts of the app,

iirc, aside from crypto, and ideally that will be handled in C anyways, right?

<jrand0m> sure jeremiah. all depends on the app

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<hezekiah> jeremiah: In theory.

<jrand0m> so where are we on the python side? client api, local only

router, etc?

<jeremiah> the python implementation will also let us know what optimizations

we could make from the start... I'd like to keep it up to date or, possibly,

ahead of the C implementation as I can

<hezekiah> jrand0m: OK. Here's what I've got.

<hezekiah> In _theory_ the router should be able to handle all non-admin

messages from a client.

<hezekiah> However, I don't have client yet, so I haven't been able to debug

it (i.e. there are still bugs.)

<hezekiah> I'm working on the client right now.

<jrand0m> 'k. if you can disable signature verification, we should be able

to run the java client against it now

<hezekiah> I'm hoping to have that done except for admin messages in a day

or two.

<jrand0m> we can test that out after the meeting

<hezekiah> jrand0m: OK.

<jeremiah> I've been dealing with real-world stuff mostly since the last

meeting, I can work on the client API, just been trying to sync my thinking

with hezekiah's

<jrand0m> cool

<hezekiah> jeremiah: You know what, just wait.

<hezekiah> jeremiah: I'm probably throwing in too much new stuff for you to

deal with right now.

<jeremiah> hezekiah: right, what I was going to say is that you should

probably just go ahead and implement the base stuff

<hezekiah> jeremiah: In a little while, it will be stabalized and you can

start refining it. (There are lots of TODO comments that need help.)

<jeremiah> and then I can extend it later once I get the picture

<hezekiah> Exactly.

<hezekiah> You get to maintain all this code. :)

<jrand0m> cool. so eta 1-2 weeks for a working python router + client api?

<hezekiah> I'm going on vacation next week so probably.

<hezekiah> Are we going to have more details on router to router soon?

<jrand0m> no.

<jrand0m> well, yes.

<jrand0m> but no.

<hezekiah> lol

<jeremiah> hezekiah: how long is the vacation?

<hezekiah> 1 week.

<jeremiah> ok

<jrand0m> (aka as soon as the SDK goes out, 100% of my time goes into I2NP)

<hezekiah> I'm hoping to have all non-admin functionality written before I

go on vacation

<hezekiah> .

<jrand0m> but then soon after you get back you're off to college, right?

<hezekiah> I2NP?

<hezekiah> Right.

<jrand0m> network proto

<hezekiah> I have about 1 week after vacation.

<hezekiah> Then I'm gone.

<hezekiah> And my free time drops like a stone.

<jrand0m> so that 1 week should only be debugging

<jeremiah> I can work on the code while hez is gone though

<jrand0m> word

<jrand0m> whats your summer look like jeremiah?

<hezekiah> jeremiah: Perhaps you can get those admin functions working?

<thecrypto> i'll still have a month after i come back from my vaction to work

on things

<jrand0m> having a life, or being like the rest of us l00sers? :)

<jeremiah> maybe

<hezekiah> 100sers?

<hezekiah> What's a 100ser?

<jeremiah> i leave for college on the 22nd, other than that I can dev

<mihi> hezekiah: a loser

<jeremiah> and the last week before I leave all my friends will be gone... so

I can go into hyperdev mode

<hezekiah> mihi: Ah!

<jrand0m> hehe

<hezekiah> OK. So where were we on the agenda?

<hezekiah> i.e. What's next?

<jrand0m> sdk status

<jrand0m> sdk == one client impl, a local only router impl, an app, and docs.

<jrand0m> I'd like to have that out by next tuesday.

<hezekiah> jeremiah: That backlog is on the way. Sorry I forgot you there. :)

<jeremiah> thanks

<jrand0m> ok, co isn't around, so the naming service stuff is prolly a bit

off base

<jrand0m> we can discuss the naming service after he puts out specs or

he's around

<jrand0m> ok, thats it for I2P stuff

<jrand0m> anyone else have I2P stuff, or we on to: <nop> 4) The End with

comments and stuff

<hezekiah> I can't think of anything.

<jrand0m> I assume everyone's seen

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/08/05/anarchist.prison.ap/index.html ?

<thecrypto> not here

<jrand0m> (nop posted it here earlier)

<hezekiah> The thing about the guy who got arrested for linking to a bomb

building site?

<jrand0m> yes

<jrand0m> relevence to the need to get I2P up ASAP should be aparent ;)

<hezekiah> OK! jeremiah, those logs are now sent.

<jeremiah> thanks

<jrand0m> anyone have any questions / comments / thoughts / frisbees,

or are we having a record breaking short meeting?

* thecrypto tosses a frisbee

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<jrand0m> damn y'all are quiet today ;)

<mihi> question:

<mihi> where can non devs get yout java code?

<jrand0m> si sr?

<thecrypto> not yet

<mihi> 404

<jrand0m> that'll be made available once we're release ready. aka the

source will go out with the SDK

<jrand0m> heh

<jrand0m> yeah, we don't use SF

<hezekiah> nop: Is it possible that we can get anonymous cvs working some tiem?

<hezekiah> time?

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<nop> well, I would open up a non-standard port

<jrand0m> hezekiah> we'll have that once the code has the GPL license on there

<nop> but I am working on viewcvs

<jrand0m> aka not now since the gpl doc hasn't been added to the code yet

<hezekiah> jrand0m: It's in all the python code directories and all python

source files speceify licensing under GPL-2.

<jrand0m> hezekiah> is that on the cathedral?

<hezekiah> Yes.

<jrand0m> ah word. i2p/core/code/python ? or a different module?

* jrand0m hasn't seen it in there

<hezekiah> Each python code directory has a COPYING file in it with the

GPL-2 and each source file has the license set a GPL-2

<hezekiah> It's i2p/router/python and i2p/api/python

<jrand0m> 'k

<jrand0m> so, yeah, by next tuesday we'll have the SDK + public source access.

<hezekiah> Cool.

<hezekiah> Or as you like to say, wikked. ;-)

<jrand0m> heh

<jrand0m> nada mas?

<hezekiah> nada mas? What's that mean!?

<jeremiah> nothing more

* jrand0m suggests you learn a lil espanol en universidad

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<hezekiah> Questions anyone?

<hezekiah> Going once!

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<hezekiah> Going twice!

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<hezekiah> Speak now .. or wait until you feel like speaking later!

<thecrypto> okay, i'm going to be optimizing the elgamal even more, so expect

even faster elgamal benches in the future

<jrand0m> please focus on DSA and AES before tuning... puhleeeease :)

<thecrypto> i will

<hezekiah> The reason he's doing that is 'cause I'm causing trouble for

people again. ;-)

<thecrypto> i'm making DSA primes

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<thecrypto> well, at least making the program to make DSA primes right now

<hezekiah> ElGamal in Java doesn't like an AMD K-6 II 333MHz.

<hezekiah> OK.

<hezekiah> Question round is over!

<jrand0m> ok hez, we're done. you wanna powow on getting the java client

and the python router work?

<hezekiah> See you all next week citizens!

* hezekiah smashes down the *baf*er

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