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<h3>I2P (invisiblenet) Development Meeting 29</h3>
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Courtesy of <a href="http://www.archive.org/">the wayback machine</a>.
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<p>--- Log opened Tue Feb 04 23:38:39 2003
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<p>23:38 -!- Topic for #iip-dev: IIP Meeting - logfiles: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/
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<p>23:38 [Users #iip-dev]
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<p>23:38 [ co ] [ mids ] [ Neo] [ ptm ]
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<p>23:38 [ logger] [ MrEcho] [ pox] [ UserX]
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<p>23:38 -!- Irssi: #iip-dev: Total of 8 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 8 normal]
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<p>23:38 -!- Irssi: Join to #iip-dev was synced in 12 secs
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<p>23:51 < mids> nop wont be on
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<p>23:51 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o mids] by Trent
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<p>23:51 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o UserX] by mids
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<p>23:59 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o hezekiah] by mids
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<p>23:59 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o hezekiah] by Trent
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<p>23:59 <@hezekiah> Oops!
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<p>23:59 <@hezekiah> I was just about to try that, mids! :)
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<p>23:59 <@hezekiah> I think I figured it out!
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<p>23:59 <@mids> you did
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<p>23:59 * hezekiah feals very happy with himself for learning more about IRC. :)
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<p>--- Day changed Wed Feb 05 2003
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<p>00:00 < MrEcho> lol
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<p>00:00 <@mids> Tue Feb 4 23:00:10 UTC 2003
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<p>00:00 <@mids> Welcome to the 29th iip meeting
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<p>00:00 <@mids> nop emailed me that he wont be there
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<p>00:00 <@mids> so you got to do it without him
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<p>00:00 <@mids> I dont have a specific agenda
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<p>00:00 <@mids> except for this
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<p>00:01 <@mids> 1) welcome :)
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<p>00:01 <@mids> 2) highlights of the week
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<p>00:01 <@mids> 3) questions
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<p>00:01 <@mids> .
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<p>00:01 <@mids> any highlights to report?
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<p>00:02 <@hezekiah> Uh, not on my side. I'm still waiting for UserX or nop to look at the GnuMP BigNum impl. to see if it's OK.
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<p>00:02 <@mids> userx added some code to the isproxy so that an empty node.ref file wont do harm if you upload
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<p>00:02 <@hezekiah> The configure options for it got uploaded though.
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<p>00:02 <@hezekiah> Is IIP 1.1 out yet?
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<p>00:03 <@mids> havent seen it
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<p>00:03 <@hezekiah> I guess not.
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<p>00:03 <@mids> only thing is that we need to look at the location where the files are saved
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<p>00:04 <@hezekiah> Hmmm ...
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<p>00:04 <@mids> and if that gives bugs on different operating systems
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<p>00:04 <@hezekiah> What exactly is the problem?
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<p>00:05 * mids loads the sourceforge bugtracker
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<p>00:05 <@mids> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=651711&group_id=50945&atid=461514
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<p>00:05 * hezekiah is doing the same.
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<p>00:05 <@hezekiah> Thanks. :)
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<p>00:06 <@hezekiah> I remeber looking at that briefly once.
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<p>00:07 <@hezekiah> The tricky part is what you are supposed to do in Windows.
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<p>00:07 <@hezekiah> The *nix/*BSD part shouldn't be that difficult. (I hope.)
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<p>00:07 <@mids> in windows it does just look at the current working directory
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<p>00:08 <@hezekiah> I'll leave the Windows part to UserX. :)
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<p>00:08 <@mids> the windows behavious shouldnt change imho
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<p>00:09 <@hezekiah> Whatever. I run linux, and avoid Windows whenever I can. ;-)
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<p>00:09 <@mids> same
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<p>00:09 <@mids> but what behaviour do we want for unix?
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<p>00:09 <@hezekiah> The behavior is defined in the code using #ifdef's based on platform.
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<p>00:09 <@mids> you need to have access to the root/iip account to be able to access ~iip/.iip
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<p>00:10 <@mids> so it should also look in other dirs
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<p>00:10 <@mids> like ~/.iip
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<p>00:10 <@mids> or the current dir
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<p>00:10 <@hezekiah> Well, if isproxy is installed the default thing for a program to do would be look in /home/<user's homedir name>/.iip
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<p>00:10 <@hezekiah> So in my case: /home/hezekiah/.iip
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<p>00:10 <@hezekiah> node.ref would be /home/hezekiah/.iip/node.ref
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<p>00:11 <@hezekiah> Then each user can have their own settings, etc.
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<p>00:11 < MrEcho> you can kind of do the same thing in NT
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<p>00:11 < MrEcho> my doc's folder is protected
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<p>00:11 <@hezekiah> But under Win9[58] there really aren
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<p>00:11 < MrEcho> ya
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<p>00:11 <@hezekiah> aren't user specific home dirs.
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<p>00:12 < MrEcho> anyone using 9x needs help anyways ....
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<p>00:12 * hezekiah laughs
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<p>00:12 <@hezekiah> Well, I'll email nop and ask him how he wants it done for *nix. Then, I'll see what I can do.
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<p>00:12 <@mids> mail the list please
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<p>00:13 <@mids> the we can all discuss
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<p>00:13 < MrEcho> for the 9x ppl just put the files in ./.iip/
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<p>00:13 <@hezekiah> OK.
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<p>00:13 <@hezekiah> Or when IIP is installed it could be installed in Program Files/IIP.
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<p>00:14 < MrEcho> for 9x ppl
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<p>00:14 <@hezekiah> node.ref, isproxy.ini, seed.rnd, etc. could be placed there.
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<p>00:14 <@mids> if you start IIP with a windows start thingie, then you can set the workingdirectory
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<p>00:15 <@hezekiah> Well, anyway, I don't intend to touch the Windows implementation with a ten-foot poll. UserX can figure this one out. ;-)
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<p>00:15 < MrEcho> :P
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<p>00:15 <@mids> ok
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<p>00:15 < FillaMent> You could look into a nasty WSH script. Then you can store in info in the registry
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<p>00:15 <@hezekiah> (My compiler might not even _compile_ IIP under Windows!)
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<p>00:15 <@mids> :)
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<p>00:15 < MrEcho> fuck the registry
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<p>00:15 <@hezekiah> FillaMent: if we used the registry in a program that needs to work under *nix, it would be an #ifdef NIGHTMARE!!
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<p>00:16 < FillaMent> Not what I"m saying
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<p>00:16 <@hezekiah> (But I will admit I tought of it to for a few seconds ... only a few, mind you.)
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<p>00:16 <@hezekiah> Oh?
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<p>00:16 <@hezekiah> Explain? :)
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<p>00:17 < FillaMent> Have the location of the data file stored in the registry, then launch IIP with a WSH script that pulls the path out of the registry and pass it to the program as a cmnd line option
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<p>00:17 < MrEcho> http://bofh.st/bofh/images/traffic.gif
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<p>00:18 <@hezekiah> That might be doable.
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<p>00:19 <@mids> I only had someone asking for windows NOT to change the current system there
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<p>00:19 <@mids> maybe it would be nice to let it work without registry
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<p>00:19 < FillaMent> A while back I wrote a script that would replace the name of the last logged in user with an arbitrary string. NT Ninja Vanish =) Had to do it because Generals and Colonels would freak because there was another login nam
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<p>00:19 <@mids> from a security / anonymity pov
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<p>00:20 <@hezekiah> I have to admit that I hate the Windoze registry with a pasion, just my personal opinion, though. :)
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<p>00:20 < MrEcho> same here hezekiah
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<p>00:20 < MrEcho> but ive learned to work with it
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<p>00:20 <@hezekiah> So have I, ... but I still hate it. :)
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<p>00:20 <@mids> so
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<p>00:20 <@mids> lets investigate this week how the system currently works
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<p>00:21 <@mids> and discuss on the list about how it should
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<p>00:21 <@hezekiah> Right.
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<p>00:21 <@mids> after that, make it work like it should :)
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<p>00:21 <@hezekiah> I'll post an email to start up the conversation.
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<p>00:21 <@mids> yay
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<p>00:21 <@mids> so
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<p>00:21 <@mids> next item?
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<p>00:22 <@hezekiah> 3.) questions
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<p>00:22 < MrEcho> where the hell is 1.1
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<p>00:22 <@mids> *nod*
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<p>00:22 < MrEcho> hehe
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<p>00:22 <@hezekiah> I don't know.
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<p>00:22 <@hezekiah> But I think the reason it's not out is because of the aforementioned bug.
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<p>00:22 <@hezekiah> (The one we are going to talk about on the mailing list.)
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<p>00:23 < MrEcho> i just hope it connects faster and more stable connections
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<p>00:24 <@hezekiah> (I have to admit I haven't had a problem with unstable connections, and I usually connect to the 1st or 2nd node I try.)
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<p>00:24 <@mids> but that is just because you have a clean node.ref, I assume?
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<p>00:24 <@hezekiah> No.
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<p>00:24 <@hezekiah> I have a normal node.ref
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<p>00:24 <@mids> oh
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<p>00:25 <@mids> but you never stay online for 24 h
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<p>00:25 <@hezekiah> It's the one the server gives me each time I conect.
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<p>00:25 < FillaMent> I can stay connected for a couple days, usually.
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<p>00:25 <@hezekiah> No. I have a life. ;-)
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<p>00:25 <@mids> one can stay online without irc-ing ofcourse
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<p>00:25 <@mids> *geeh*
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<p>00:25 <@hezekiah> And my family's phone line is the same on the internet connection is on. :)
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<p>00:25 < jrandom> eww
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<p>00:26 <@mids> then get offline now!
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<p>00:26 <@mids> :)
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<p>00:26 <@hezekiah> Other questions?
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<p>00:26 <@mids> I dont have those
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<p>00:28 < FillaMent> HaZaa...
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<p>00:28 <@hezekiah> HaZaa?
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<p>00:28 <@mids> gesundheit
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<p>00:28 <@hezekiah> *lol*
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<p>00:28 <@hezekiah> Was that a question, FillaMent?
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<p>00:28 < FillaMent> My FServe
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<p>00:29 <@hezekiah> OK. I'm lost. :)
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<p>00:29 <@mids> tell us about it hezekiah
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<p>00:29 <@mids> s/hezekiah/FillaMent/
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<p>00:30 < FillaMent> I was just wondering if there'd be any expected problems using IIP as a comm backbone for a lot of file browsing.
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<p>00:30 < FillaMent> And eventually a text-based protocol like HTTP
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<p>00:30 <@mids> you will be bound to the slowness of IIP
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<p>00:30 <@mids> the 50B/s limit
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<p>00:31 <@hezekiah> IIP might not always be slow, mids. ;-)
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<p>00:31 <@hezekiah> We shall optimize and improve. :)
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<p>00:31 <@mids> hurray
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<p>00:31 < FillaMent> That's not a big deal since we're not doing actual file transfer of IIP. Just comm. I'm concerned with whether or not it would be a strain.
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<p>00:32 < lonelynerd> 50B/s might be ok for telnet
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<p>00:32 <@hezekiah> (Mids? You want to answer all this? I'm reeaaallllyyy lost.)
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<p>00:32 <@mids> ok
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<p>00:32 <@mids> FillaMent is working on something caled HaZaa
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<p>00:32 <@mids> it is some fserve on IIP
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<p>00:33 <@mids> which uses Freenet for the actual file sharing
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<p>00:33 <@mids> right?
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<p>00:33 < FillaMent> Yeah... IIP for the browsing.
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<p>00:33 <@mids> so you have some telnet/ftp like interface locally
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<p>00:33 < FillaMent> firing it up now.
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<p>00:34 < FillaMent> haz: /msg hazaaclone shell
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<p>00:36 < FillaMent> haz: /msg hazaaclone cd /stuff/mp3s
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<p>00:38 <@hezekiah> Not bad!!
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<p>00:38 <@hezekiah> Uh ... how do you leave the shell?
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<p>00:38 < FillaMent> It just times out.
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<p>00:38 <@hezekiah> Oh ...
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<p>00:39 < FillaMent> Think traffic like that would be a problem... I expect /lots/ of people will run them. Especially since DALnet just put a ban on FServes
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<p>00:40 < HazaaClone> I might clog your chat network =)
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<p>00:40 <@hezekiah> Hmmm ...
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<p>00:40 <@hezekiah> That would be a problem. :)
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<p>00:41 < FillaMent> Dunno how much traffic it would be or what effect it will have on IIP.
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<p>00:41 <@mids> during the slashdot attack we did do pretty well
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<p>00:41 < FillaMent> Sounds solid then.
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<p>00:41 <@mids> the total amount of people wasnt too high
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<p>00:41 <@mids> but it was constant joining and parting
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<p>00:42 < FillaMent> I /think/ I got the flooding issue fixed.
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<p>00:43 <@hezekiah> Well, if you threw in an "exit/quit" command, maybe the connections would be lower. Just a suggestion. :)
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<p>00:44 <@hezekiah> Well, I had better go. See you all around. :)
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<p>00:44 < FillaMent> THe eventual version will use IIP to pass search queries and query results.
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<p>00:45 <@hezekiah> mids: I'm looking into the code on the file placement bug. I should have an email up on the mailing list shortly. :)
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<p>00:45 <@hezekiah> Bye, all! :)
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<p>00:45 <@mids> bye
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<p>00:46 < MrEcho> hey mids .. have you checked out iip-im latly
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<p>00:46 <@mids> nope
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<p>00:46 <@mids> but I didnt get many CVS updates
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<p>00:46 < MrEcho> got a bunch of stuff done
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<p>00:46 <@mids> lets end the official part of the meeting
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<p>00:46 < MrEcho> im working on xml themes right now
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<p>00:46 <@mids> and move over to friendly chit chat
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<p>00:46 < MrEcho> ...
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<p>00:47 < FillaMent> ooooo! That just gave me an idea.
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<p>00:48 < FillaMent> Oooo.... this is going to ROCK!
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<p>00:48 <@mids> ?
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<p>--- Log closed Wed Feb 05 00:48:36 2003
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