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<nop> ok, meeting started
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<nop> what's on the agenda
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<hezekiah> Tue Aug 5 21:03:10 UTC 2003
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<hezekiah> Welcome to the Nth iip-dev meeting.
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<hezekiah> What's on the agenda?
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<thecrypto> Tue Aug 5 21:02:44 UTC 2003
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<thecrypto> synced to a NTP stratum 2 :)
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<hezekiah> Tue Aug 5 21:03:13 UTC 2003
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<hezekiah> Just synced to NIST. :)
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<mihi> this sync does not help w/ iip delays ;)
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<jrand0m> nop: things I want to see covered: java dev status, java crypto
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status, python dev status, sdk status, naming service
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<hezekiah> (We're going into the naming service _already_?)
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<jrand0m> not design you wanker, thats co's schpeel. just talk about stuff
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if there's stuff to talk about.
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<hezekiah> Ah
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* jrand0m puts LART away
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<jrand0m> anything else on the agenda?
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<jrand0m> or shall we dig in?
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<hezekiah> Well, I can't think of anything else to add.
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<hezekiah> Ah!
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<hezekiah> Oh!
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<jrand0m> ok. java dev status:
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<hezekiah> Good.
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<nop> ok
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<nop> agenda
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<nop> 1) Welcome
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<jrand0m> as of today, there is a java client API with a stub java router
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that can talk to each other. in addition, there is an application called ATalk
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allowing anonymous IM + file transfer.
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<nop> 2) IIP 1.1 blackouts
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<nop> 3) I2P
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<nop> 4) The End with comments and stuff
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* jrand0m goes back to corner
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<nop> sorry
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joeyo jrand0m Aug 05 17:08:24 * hezekiah gives jrand0m a dunce hat to wear in
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the corner. ;-)
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<nop> sorry about that
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<nop> didn't see you started there
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<nop> maybe I should go in corner
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<hezekiah> lol
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<jrand0m> no worry. item 1)
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* hezekiah hands nop a dunce hat too. :)
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<nop> ok welcome everybuddy
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<nop> blah blah
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<nop> 2) IIP 1.1 blackouts
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<hezekiah> 52nd iip-dev meeting and all that good rot!
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<nop> the server recently had some issues with the hard drive sectors and has
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been replaced
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<nop> I plan to be moving the darn server into a more stable environment with
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redundancy
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<nop> and possibly lend out control of multiple ircd servers
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<nop> dunno
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<nop> that's something to be discussed
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<nop> hopefully our servers should stay up now since the harddrive was replaced
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<nop> sorry about the inconvenience folks
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<nop> 3) I2P - Jrand0m take it away
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<nop> come out of the corner jrand0m
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* hezekiah goes over to the corner, pulls jrand0m off his chair, drags him
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to the podium, takes away his dunce hat, and hands him the mic.
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* nop goes into that corner to fill his place
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<hezekiah> lol!
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<jrand0m> sorry, back
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* nop grabs dunce hat from hezekiah
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* nop puts it on his head
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* nop applauds for jrand0m
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* jrand0m just watches the show
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<jrand0m> er... um ok
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<hezekiah> jrand0m: i2p, java status, etc. Talk man!
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<jrand0m> so, as of today, there is a java client API with a stub java
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router that can talk to each other. in addition, there is an application called
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ATalk allowing anonymous IM + file transfer.
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<hezekiah> File transfer already!?
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<jrand0m> si sr
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<hezekiah> Wow.
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<hezekiah> I'm sure behind the times.
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<jrand0m> but not the most graceful
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<hezekiah> lol
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<jrand0m> it takes a file and tosses it in a message
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<hezekiah> Ouch.
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<nop> how long did 1.8 mb local transfer take?
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<jrand0m> I've tested with a 4K file and a 1.8Mb file
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<jrand0m> a few seconds
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<nop> nice
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<nop> :)
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<hezekiah> Does the java stuff do real encryption yet, or does it still
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fake that?
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<nop> fake
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<nop> even I know that
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<nop> :)
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<jrand0m> I warmed it up by talking to myself first [e.g. one window to
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another, saying hi] so it didn't deal with the overhead of the first elg
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<jrand0m> right, its faked largely
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<thecrypto> most of the encryption is fake
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<thecrypto> that's being worked on though
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<hezekiah> Of course. :)
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<jrand0m> definitely.
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<jrand0m> on that front, wanna give us an update thecrypto?
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<thecrypto> well, right now i'm done with ElGamal and SHA256
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<thecrypto> right now I'm working on generating primes for DSA
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<thecrypto> I'll send out 5 and then we can just pick one
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<hezekiah> nop: Didn't you have prime(s) coming for use with DSA?
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<thecrypto> We also have some benchmarks on ElGamal and SHA256
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<thecrypto> And they are all fast
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<jrand0m> latest benchmarks w/ elg:
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<jrand0m> Key Generation Time Average: 4437 total: 443759 min:
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872 max: 21110 Keygen/second: 0
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<jrand0m> Encryption Time Average : 356 total: 35657 min:
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431 max: 611 Encryption Bps: 179
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<jrand0m> Decryption Time Average : 983 total: 98347 min:
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881 max: 2143 Decryption Bps: 65
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<hezekiah> min and max: are they in seconds?
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<jrand0m> note that the Bps isn't really useful, as we only encrypt/decrypt
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64 bytes
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<thecrypto> ms
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<jrand0m> no, sorry, those are all milliseconds
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<hezekiah> Cool. :)
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<hezekiah> And this is done in java?
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<thecrypto> yes
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<thecrypto> pure java
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<hezekiah> OK. I am officiall impressed. :)
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<jrand0m> 100%. P4 1.8
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<thecrypto> they are about the same on my 800 Mhz
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<hezekiah> How can I do the same tests?
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<jrand0m> sha256 benchmark:
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<jrand0m> Short Message Time Average : 0 total: 0 min: 0 max:
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0 Bps: NaN
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<jrand0m> Medium Message Time Average : 1 total: 130 min: 0 max:
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10 Bps: 7876923
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<jrand0m> Long Message Time Average : 146 total: 14641 min:
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130 max: 270 Bps: 83037
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<thecrypto> run the ElGamalBench program
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<hezekiah> OK.
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<hezekiah> I'll go find it.
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<jrand0m> (short size: ~10 bytes, medium ~10KB, long ~ 1MB)
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<jrand0m> java -cp i2p.jar ElGamalBench
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<jrand0m> (after running "ant all")
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<hezekiah> jrand0m: Thanks. :)
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<jrand0m> np
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<thecrypto> The NaN thing means it's so fast that we end up dividing by 0
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it's so fast :)
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<hezekiah> What's the sha bench?
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<jrand0m> java -cp i2p.jar SHA256Bench
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<hezekiah> OK.
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<jrand0m> we'll probably want to move those to be main() methods of the
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associated engines, but they're good where they are atm
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<hezekiah> Let's see how fast all this is on an AMD K6-2 333MHz (which is
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a chip not well know for its integer math.)
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<jrand0m> heh
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<jrand0m> ok so we have DSA and AES left, right?
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<jrand0m> this is all wikked thecrypto. nice work.
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<thecrypto> yup
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<jrand0m> can I nag you for an ETA on the other two? ;)
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<hezekiah> If this is anywhere near as fast on my box as it is on yours,
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you have to show me how you do that. ;-)
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<thecrypto> DSA should be done almost as soon as i have primes ready
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<nop> hezekiah have you tried the sslcrypto for python
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<thecrypto> copying some code around from the prime generator and things like
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that and it's done
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<nop> the one off that link
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<hezekiah> nop: sslcrypto won't do us any good.
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<hezekiah> nop: It doesn't implment ElGamal _or_ AES _or_ sha256.
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<thecrypto> AES is mostly done except that there is some error somewhere that
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i'm still trying to pick out and destroy, once i have that, it'll be done
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<jrand0m> thecrypto> so by friday, DSA keygen, sign, verify, and AES encrypt,
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decrypt for arbitrary size inputs?
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<nop> the one on McNab's site does not?
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<thecrypto> yeah
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<nop> darn
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<thecrypto> should be friday
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<thecrypto> most likey thursday
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<jrand0m> thecrypto> does that include the UnsignedBigInteger stuff?
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<thecrypto> i'll be missing next weeks meeting because of summer camp, and
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i'll be back after that
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<thecrypto> jrand0m: prolly not
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<jrand0m> ok.
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<jrand0m> so for the time being, interoperability between java and python
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is b0rked.
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<jrand0m> for crypto, that is.
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<jrand0m> (aka for signatures, keys, encryption, and decryption)
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<nop> hmm maybe we should focus more on C/C++
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<thecrypto> well, once we get it working completely we can then make sure
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both java and python can speak to each other
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<jrand0m> while you're out I'll look into the unsigned stuff.
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<jeremiah> can someone email me a backlog? jeremiah@kingprimate.com
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: Give me a minute. :)
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<jrand0m> nop> do we have devs for C/C++?
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<nop> I have one guy yes
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<nop> and Hezekiah we know could do it
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<jrand0m> or perhaps we can get a python dev status update from hezekiah +
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jeremiah to see when we'll have more people for the c/c++ dev
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<jrand0m> right, of course. but hez+jeremiah are working on python atm
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(right?)
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<hezekiah> Yeah.
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<hezekiah> I'm sort of giving poor jeremiah lots of trouble.
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<nop> I was just saying if python won't be fast speeds
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<hezekiah> Python is mainly for me to understand this network.
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<nop> ahh
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<hezekiah> Once, I get it to basically follow the complete spec, I intend
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to hand it off to jeremiah to do with as he sees fit.
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<hezekiah> It's not meant to be a killer implementation of the spec.
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<hezekiah> (If I wanted that, I'd use C++.)
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<jeremiah> well there aren't any really processor intensive parts of the app,
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iirc, aside from crypto, and ideally that will be handled in C anyways, right?
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<jrand0m> sure jeremiah. all depends on the app
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: In theory.
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<jrand0m> so where are we on the python side? client api, local only
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router, etc?
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<jeremiah> the python implementation will also let us know what optimizations
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we could make from the start... I'd like to keep it up to date or, possibly,
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ahead of the C implementation as I can
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<hezekiah> jrand0m: OK. Here's what I've got.
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<hezekiah> In _theory_ the router should be able to handle all non-admin
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messages from a client.
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<hezekiah> However, I don't have client yet, so I haven't been able to debug
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it (i.e. there are still bugs.)
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<hezekiah> I'm working on the client right now.
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<jrand0m> 'k. if you can disable signature verification, we should be able
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to run the java client against it now
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<hezekiah> I'm hoping to have that done except for admin messages in a day
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or two.
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<jrand0m> we can test that out after the meeting
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<hezekiah> jrand0m: OK.
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<jeremiah> I've been dealing with real-world stuff mostly since the last
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meeting, I can work on the client API, just been trying to sync my thinking
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with hezekiah's
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<jrand0m> cool
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: You know what, just wait.
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: I'm probably throwing in too much new stuff for you to
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deal with right now.
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<jeremiah> hezekiah: right, what I was going to say is that you should
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probably just go ahead and implement the base stuff
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: In a little while, it will be stabalized and you can
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start refining it. (There are lots of TODO comments that need help.)
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<jeremiah> and then I can extend it later once I get the picture
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<hezekiah> Exactly.
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<hezekiah> You get to maintain all this code. :)
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<jrand0m> cool. so eta 1-2 weeks for a working python router + client api?
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<hezekiah> I'm going on vacation next week so probably.
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<hezekiah> Are we going to have more details on router to router soon?
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<jrand0m> no.
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<jrand0m> well, yes.
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<jrand0m> but no.
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<hezekiah> lol
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<jeremiah> hezekiah: how long is the vacation?
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<hezekiah> 1 week.
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<jeremiah> ok
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<jrand0m> (aka as soon as the SDK goes out, 100% of my time goes into I2NP)
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<hezekiah> I'm hoping to have all non-admin functionality written before I
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go on vacation
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<hezekiah> .
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<jrand0m> but then soon after you get back you're off to college, right?
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<hezekiah> I2NP?
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<hezekiah> Right.
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<jrand0m> network proto
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<hezekiah> I have about 1 week after vacation.
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<hezekiah> Then I'm gone.
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<hezekiah> And my free time drops like a stone.
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<jrand0m> so that 1 week should only be debugging
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<jeremiah> I can work on the code while hez is gone though
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<jrand0m> word
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<jrand0m> whats your summer look like jeremiah?
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: Perhaps you can get those admin functions working?
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<thecrypto> i'll still have a month after i come back from my vaction to work
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on things
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<jrand0m> having a life, or being like the rest of us l00sers? :)
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<jeremiah> maybe
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<hezekiah> 100sers?
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<hezekiah> What's a 100ser?
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<jeremiah> i leave for college on the 22nd, other than that I can dev
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<mihi> hezekiah: a loser
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<jeremiah> and the last week before I leave all my friends will be gone... so
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I can go into hyperdev mode
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<hezekiah> mihi: Ah!
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<jrand0m> hehe
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<hezekiah> OK. So where were we on the agenda?
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<hezekiah> i.e. What's next?
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<jrand0m> sdk status
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<jrand0m> sdk == one client impl, a local only router impl, an app, and docs.
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<jrand0m> I'd like to have that out by next tuesday.
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<hezekiah> jeremiah: That backlog is on the way. Sorry I forgot you there. :)
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<jeremiah> thanks
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<jrand0m> ok, co isn't around, so the naming service stuff is prolly a bit
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off base
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<jrand0m> we can discuss the naming service after he puts out specs or
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he's around
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<jrand0m> ok, thats it for I2P stuff
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<jrand0m> anyone else have I2P stuff, or we on to: <nop> 4) The End with
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comments and stuff
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<hezekiah> I can't think of anything.
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<jrand0m> I assume everyone's seen
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/08/05/anarchist.prison.ap/index.html ?
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<thecrypto> not here
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<jrand0m> (nop posted it here earlier)
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<hezekiah> The thing about the guy who got arrested for linking to a bomb
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building site?
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<jrand0m> yes
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<jrand0m> relevence to the need to get I2P up ASAP should be aparent ;)
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<hezekiah> OK! jeremiah, those logs are now sent.
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<jeremiah> thanks
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<jrand0m> anyone have any questions / comments / thoughts / frisbees,
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or are we having a record breaking short meeting?
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* thecrypto tosses a frisbee
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<jrand0m> damn y'all are quiet today ;)
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<mihi> question:
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<mihi> where can non devs get yout java code?
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<jrand0m> si sr?
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<thecrypto> not yet
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<mihi> 404
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<jrand0m> that'll be made available once we're release ready. aka the
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source will go out with the SDK
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<jrand0m> heh
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<jrand0m> yeah, we don't use SF
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<hezekiah> nop: Is it possible that we can get anonymous cvs working some tiem?
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<hezekiah> time?
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<nop> well, I would open up a non-standard port
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<jrand0m> hezekiah> we'll have that once the code has the GPL license on there
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<nop> but I am working on viewcvs
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<jrand0m> aka not now since the gpl doc hasn't been added to the code yet
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<hezekiah> jrand0m: It's in all the python code directories and all python
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source files speceify licensing under GPL-2.
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<jrand0m> hezekiah> is that on the cathedral?
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<hezekiah> Yes.
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<jrand0m> ah word. i2p/core/code/python ? or a different module?
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* jrand0m hasn't seen it in there
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<hezekiah> Each python code directory has a COPYING file in it with the
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GPL-2 and each source file has the license set a GPL-2
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<hezekiah> It's i2p/router/python and i2p/api/python
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<jrand0m> 'k
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<jrand0m> so, yeah, by next tuesday we'll have the SDK + public source access.
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<hezekiah> Cool.
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<hezekiah> Or as you like to say, wikked. ;-)
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<jrand0m> heh
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<jrand0m> nada mas?
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<hezekiah> nada mas? What's that mean!?
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<jeremiah> nothing more
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* jrand0m suggests you learn a lil espanol en universidad
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<hezekiah> Questions anyone?
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<hezekiah> Going once!
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<hezekiah> Going twice!
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<hezekiah> Speak now .. or wait until you feel like speaking later!
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<thecrypto> okay, i'm going to be optimizing the elgamal even more, so expect
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even faster elgamal benches in the future
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<jrand0m> please focus on DSA and AES before tuning... puhleeeease :)
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<thecrypto> i will
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<hezekiah> The reason he's doing that is 'cause I'm causing trouble for
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people again. ;-)
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<thecrypto> i'm making DSA primes
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<thecrypto> well, at least making the program to make DSA primes right now
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<hezekiah> ElGamal in Java doesn't like an AMD K-6 II 333MHz.
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<hezekiah> OK.
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<hezekiah> Question round is over!
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<jrand0m> ok hez, we're done. you wanna powow on getting the java client
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and the python router work?
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<hezekiah> See you all next week citizens!
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