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{% extends "_layout.html" %}
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{% block title %}I2P Development Meeting 52{% endblock %}
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{% block content %}<div class="irclog">
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<p><nop> ok, meeting started</p>
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<p><nop> what's on the agenda</p>
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<p>--> logger (logger@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev</p>
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<p>--> Anon02 (~anon@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Tue Aug 5 21:03:10 UTC 2003</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Welcome to the Nth iip-dev meeting.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> What's on the agenda?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> Tue Aug 5 21:02:44 UTC 2003</p>
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<p><thecrypto> synced to a NTP stratum 2 :)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Tue Aug 5 21:03:13 UTC 2003</p>
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<p>--> ptm (~ptm@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Just synced to NIST. :)</p>
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<p><mihi> this sync does not help w/ iip delays ;)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> nop: things I want to see covered: java dev status, java crypto</p>
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<p> status, python dev status, sdk status, naming service</p>
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<p><hezekiah> (We're going into the naming service _already_?)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> not design you wanker, thats co's schpeel. just talk about stuff</p>
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<p> if there's stuff to talk about.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Ah</p>
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<p>* jrand0m puts LART away</p>
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<p><jrand0m> anything else on the agenda?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> or shall we dig in?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Well, I can't think of anything else to add.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Ah!</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Oh!</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ok. java dev status:</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Good.</p>
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<p><-- mrflibble has quit (Ping timeout)</p>
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<p><nop> ok</p>
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<p><nop> agenda</p>
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<p><nop> 1) Welcome</p>
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<p><jrand0m> as of today, there is a java client API with a stub java router</p>
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<p> that can talk to each other. in addition, there is an application called ATalk</p>
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<p> allowing anonymous IM + file transfer.</p>
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<p><nop> 2) IIP 1.1 blackouts</p>
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<p><nop> 3) I2P</p>
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<p><nop> 4) The End with comments and stuff</p>
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<p>* jrand0m goes back to corner</p>
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<p><nop> sorry</p>
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<p> joeyo jrand0m Aug 05 17:08:24 * hezekiah gives jrand0m a dunce hat to wear in</p>
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<p> the corner. ;-)</p>
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<p><nop> sorry about that</p>
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<p><nop> didn't see you started there</p>
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<p><nop> maybe I should go in corner</p>
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<p><hezekiah> lol</p>
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<p><jrand0m> no worry. item 1)</p>
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<p>* hezekiah hands nop a dunce hat too. :)</p>
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<p><nop> ok welcome everybuddy</p>
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<p><nop> blah blah</p>
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<p><nop> 2) IIP 1.1 blackouts</p>
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<p>--> mrflibble (mrflibble@anon.iip) has joined #iip-dev</p>
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<p><hezekiah> 52nd iip-dev meeting and all that good rot!</p>
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<p><nop> the server recently had some issues with the hard drive sectors and has</p>
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<p> been replaced</p>
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<p><nop> I plan to be moving the darn server into a more stable environment with</p>
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<p> redundancy</p>
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<p><nop> and possibly lend out control of multiple ircd servers</p>
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<p><nop> dunno</p>
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<p><nop> that's something to be discussed</p>
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<p><nop> hopefully our servers should stay up now since the harddrive was replaced</p>
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<p><nop> sorry about the inconvenience folks</p>
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<p><nop> 3) I2P - Jrand0m take it away</p>
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<p><nop> come out of the corner jrand0m</p>
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<p>* hezekiah goes over to the corner, pulls jrand0m off his chair, drags him</p>
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<p> to the podium, takes away his dunce hat, and hands him the mic.</p>
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<p>* nop goes into that corner to fill his place</p>
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<p><hezekiah> lol!</p>
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<p><jrand0m> sorry, back</p>
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<p>* nop grabs dunce hat from hezekiah</p>
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<p>* nop puts it on his head</p>
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<p>* nop applauds for jrand0m</p>
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<p>* jrand0m just watches the show</p>
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<p><jrand0m> er... um ok</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jrand0m: i2p, java status, etc. Talk man!</p>
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<p><jrand0m> so, as of today, there is a java client API with a stub java</p>
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<p> router that can talk to each other. in addition, there is an application called</p>
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<p> ATalk allowing anonymous IM + file transfer.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> File transfer already!?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> si sr</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Wow.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'm sure behind the times.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> but not the most graceful</p>
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<p><hezekiah> lol</p>
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<p><jrand0m> it takes a file and tosses it in a message</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Ouch.</p>
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<p><nop> how long did 1.8 mb local transfer take?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> I've tested with a 4K file and a 1.8Mb file</p>
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<p><jrand0m> a few seconds</p>
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<p><nop> nice</p>
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<p><nop> :)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Does the java stuff do real encryption yet, or does it still</p>
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<p> fake that?</p>
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<p><nop> fake</p>
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<p><nop> even I know that</p>
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<p><nop> :)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> I warmed it up by talking to myself first [e.g. one window to</p>
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<p> another, saying hi] so it didn't deal with the overhead of the first elg</p>
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<p><jrand0m> right, its faked largely</p>
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<p><thecrypto> most of the encryption is fake</p>
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<p><thecrypto> that's being worked on though</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Of course. :)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> definitely.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> on that front, wanna give us an update thecrypto?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> well, right now i'm done with ElGamal and SHA256</p>
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<p><thecrypto> right now I'm working on generating primes for DSA</p>
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<p><thecrypto> I'll send out 5 and then we can just pick one</p>
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<p><hezekiah> nop: Didn't you have prime(s) coming for use with DSA?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> We also have some benchmarks on ElGamal and SHA256</p>
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<p><thecrypto> And they are all fast</p>
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<p><jrand0m> latest benchmarks w/ elg:</p>
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<p><jrand0m> Key Generation Time Average: 4437 total: 443759 min:</p>
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<p> 872 max: 21110 Keygen/second: 0</p>
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<p><jrand0m> Encryption Time Average : 356 total: 35657 min:</p>
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<p> 431 max: 611 Encryption Bps: 179</p>
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<p><jrand0m> Decryption Time Average : 983 total: 98347 min:</p>
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<p> 881 max: 2143 Decryption Bps: 65</p>
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<p><hezekiah> min and max: are they in seconds?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> note that the Bps isn't really useful, as we only encrypt/decrypt</p>
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<p> 64 bytes</p>
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<p><thecrypto> ms</p>
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<p><jrand0m> no, sorry, those are all milliseconds</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Cool. :)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> And this is done in java?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> yes</p>
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<p><thecrypto> pure java</p>
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<p><hezekiah> OK. I am officiall impressed. :)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> 100%. P4 1.8</p>
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<p><thecrypto> they are about the same on my 800 Mhz</p>
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<p><hezekiah> How can I do the same tests?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> sha256 benchmark:</p>
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<p><jrand0m> Short Message Time Average : 0 total: 0 min: 0 max:</p>
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<p> 0 Bps: NaN</p>
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<p><jrand0m> Medium Message Time Average : 1 total: 130 min: 0 max:</p>
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<p> 10 Bps: 7876923</p>
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<p><jrand0m> Long Message Time Average : 146 total: 14641 min:</p>
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<p> 130 max: 270 Bps: 83037</p>
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<p><thecrypto> run the ElGamalBench program</p>
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<p><hezekiah> OK.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'll go find it.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> (short size: ~10 bytes, medium ~10KB, long ~ 1MB)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> java -cp i2p.jar ElGamalBench</p>
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<p><jrand0m> (after running "ant all")</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jrand0m: Thanks. :)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> np</p>
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<p><thecrypto> The NaN thing means it's so fast that we end up dividing by 0</p>
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<p> it's so fast :)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> What's the sha bench?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> java -cp i2p.jar SHA256Bench</p>
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<p><hezekiah> OK.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> we'll probably want to move those to be main() methods of the</p>
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<p> associated engines, but they're good where they are atm</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Let's see how fast all this is on an AMD K6-2 333MHz (which is</p>
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<p> a chip not well know for its integer math.)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> heh</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ok so we have DSA and AES left, right?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> this is all wikked thecrypto. nice work.</p>
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<p><thecrypto> yup</p>
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<p><jrand0m> can I nag you for an ETA on the other two? ;)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> If this is anywhere near as fast on my box as it is on yours,</p>
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<p> you have to show me how you do that. ;-)</p>
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<p><thecrypto> DSA should be done almost as soon as i have primes ready</p>
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<p><nop> hezekiah have you tried the sslcrypto for python</p>
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<p><thecrypto> copying some code around from the prime generator and things like</p>
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<p> that and it's done</p>
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<p><nop> the one off that link</p>
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<p><hezekiah> nop: sslcrypto won't do us any good.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> nop: It doesn't implment ElGamal _or_ AES _or_ sha256.</p>
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<p><thecrypto> AES is mostly done except that there is some error somewhere that</p>
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<p> i'm still trying to pick out and destroy, once i have that, it'll be done</p>
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<p><jrand0m> thecrypto> so by friday, DSA keygen, sign, verify, and AES encrypt,</p>
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<p> decrypt for arbitrary size inputs?</p>
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<p><nop> the one on McNab's site does not?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> yeah</p>
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<p><nop> darn</p>
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<p><thecrypto> should be friday</p>
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<p><thecrypto> most likey thursday</p>
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<p><jrand0m> thecrypto> does that include the UnsignedBigInteger stuff?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> i'll be missing next weeks meeting because of summer camp, and</p>
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<p> i'll be back after that</p>
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<p><thecrypto> jrand0m: prolly not</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ok.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> so for the time being, interoperability between java and python</p>
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<p> is b0rked.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> for crypto, that is.</p>
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<p>--- Notify: jeremiah is online (anon.iip).</p>
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<p><jrand0m> (aka for signatures, keys, encryption, and decryption)</p>
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<p><nop> hmm maybe we should focus more on C/C++</p>
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<p><thecrypto> well, once we get it working completely we can then make sure</p>
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<p> both java and python can speak to each other</p>
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<p><jrand0m> while you're out I'll look into the unsigned stuff.</p>
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<p><jeremiah> can someone email me a backlog? jeremiah@kingprimate.com</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: Give me a minute. :)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> nop> do we have devs for C/C++?</p>
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<p><nop> I have one guy yes</p>
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<p><nop> and Hezekiah we know could do it</p>
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<p><jrand0m> or perhaps we can get a python dev status update from hezekiah +</p>
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<p> jeremiah to see when we'll have more people for the c/c++ dev</p>
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<p><jrand0m> right, of course. but hez+jeremiah are working on python atm</p>
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<p> (right?)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Yeah.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'm sort of giving poor jeremiah lots of trouble.</p>
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<p><nop> I was just saying if python won't be fast speeds</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Python is mainly for me to understand this network.</p>
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<p><nop> ahh</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Once, I get it to basically follow the complete spec, I intend</p>
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<p> to hand it off to jeremiah to do with as he sees fit.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> It's not meant to be a killer implementation of the spec.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> (If I wanted that, I'd use C++.)</p>
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<p><jeremiah> well there aren't any really processor intensive parts of the app,</p>
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<p> iirc, aside from crypto, and ideally that will be handled in C anyways, right?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> sure jeremiah. all depends on the app</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: In theory.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> so where are we on the python side? client api, local only</p>
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<p> router, etc?</p>
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<p><jeremiah> the python implementation will also let us know what optimizations</p>
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<p> we could make from the start... I'd like to keep it up to date or, possibly,</p>
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<p> ahead of the C implementation as I can</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jrand0m: OK. Here's what I've got.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> In _theory_ the router should be able to handle all non-admin</p>
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<p> messages from a client.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> However, I don't have client yet, so I haven't been able to debug</p>
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<p> it (i.e. there are still bugs.)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'm working on the client right now.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> 'k. if you can disable signature verification, we should be able</p>
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<p> to run the java client against it now</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'm hoping to have that done except for admin messages in a day</p>
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<p> or two.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> we can test that out after the meeting</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jrand0m: OK.</p>
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<p><jeremiah> I've been dealing with real-world stuff mostly since the last</p>
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<p> meeting, I can work on the client API, just been trying to sync my thinking</p>
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<p> with hezekiah's</p>
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<p><jrand0m> cool</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: You know what, just wait.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: I'm probably throwing in too much new stuff for you to</p>
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<p> deal with right now.</p>
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<p><jeremiah> hezekiah: right, what I was going to say is that you should</p>
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<p> probably just go ahead and implement the base stuff</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: In a little while, it will be stabalized and you can</p>
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<p> start refining it. (There are lots of TODO comments that need help.)</p>
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<p><jeremiah> and then I can extend it later once I get the picture</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Exactly.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> You get to maintain all this code. :)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> cool. so eta 1-2 weeks for a working python router + client api?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'm going on vacation next week so probably.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Are we going to have more details on router to router soon?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> no.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> well, yes.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> but no.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> lol</p>
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<p><jeremiah> hezekiah: how long is the vacation?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> 1 week.</p>
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<p><jeremiah> ok</p>
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<p><jrand0m> (aka as soon as the SDK goes out, 100% of my time goes into I2NP)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I'm hoping to have all non-admin functionality written before I</p>
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<p> go on vacation</p>
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<p><hezekiah> .</p>
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<p><jrand0m> but then soon after you get back you're off to college, right?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I2NP?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Right.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> network proto</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I have about 1 week after vacation.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Then I'm gone.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> And my free time drops like a stone.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> so that 1 week should only be debugging</p>
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<p><jeremiah> I can work on the code while hez is gone though</p>
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<p><jrand0m> word</p>
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<p><jrand0m> whats your summer look like jeremiah?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: Perhaps you can get those admin functions working?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> i'll still have a month after i come back from my vaction to work</p>
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<p> on things</p>
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<p><jrand0m> having a life, or being like the rest of us l00sers? :)</p>
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<p><jeremiah> maybe</p>
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<p><hezekiah> 100sers?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> What's a 100ser?</p>
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<p><jeremiah> i leave for college on the 22nd, other than that I can dev</p>
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<p><mihi> hezekiah: a loser</p>
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<p><jeremiah> and the last week before I leave all my friends will be gone... so</p>
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<p> I can go into hyperdev mode</p>
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<p><hezekiah> mihi: Ah!</p>
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<p><jrand0m> hehe</p>
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<p><hezekiah> OK. So where were we on the agenda?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> i.e. What's next?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> sdk status</p>
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<p><jrand0m> sdk == one client impl, a local only router impl, an app, and docs.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> I'd like to have that out by next tuesday.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jeremiah: That backlog is on the way. Sorry I forgot you there. :)</p>
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<p><jeremiah> thanks</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ok, co isn't around, so the naming service stuff is prolly a bit</p>
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<p> off base</p>
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<p><jrand0m> we can discuss the naming service after he puts out specs or</p>
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<p> he's around</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ok, thats it for I2P stuff</p>
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<p><jrand0m> anyone else have I2P stuff, or we on to: <nop> 4) The End with</p>
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<p> comments and stuff</p>
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<p><hezekiah> I can't think of anything.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> I assume everyone's seen</p>
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<p> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/08/05/anarchist.prison.ap/index.html ?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> not here</p>
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<p><jrand0m> (nop posted it here earlier)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> The thing about the guy who got arrested for linking to a bomb</p>
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<p> building site?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> yes</p>
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<p><jrand0m> relevence to the need to get I2P up ASAP should be aparent ;)</p>
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<p><hezekiah> OK! jeremiah, those logs are now sent.</p>
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<p><jeremiah> thanks</p>
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<p><jrand0m> anyone have any questions / comments / thoughts / frisbees,</p>
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<p> or are we having a record breaking short meeting?</p>
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<p>* thecrypto tosses a frisbee</p>
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<p><jrand0m> damn y'all are quiet today ;)</p>
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<p><mihi> question:</p>
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<p><mihi> where can non devs get yout java code?</p>
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<p><jrand0m> si sr?</p>
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<p><thecrypto> not yet</p>
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<p><mihi> 404</p>
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<p><jrand0m> that'll be made available once we're release ready. aka the</p>
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<p> source will go out with the SDK</p>
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<p><jrand0m> heh</p>
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<p><jrand0m> yeah, we don't use SF</p>
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<p><hezekiah> nop: Is it possible that we can get anonymous cvs working some tiem?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> time?</p>
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<p><nop> well, I would open up a non-standard port</p>
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<p><jrand0m> hezekiah> we'll have that once the code has the GPL license on there</p>
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<p><nop> but I am working on viewcvs</p>
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<p><jrand0m> aka not now since the gpl doc hasn't been added to the code yet</p>
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<p><hezekiah> jrand0m: It's in all the python code directories and all python</p>
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<p> source files speceify licensing under GPL-2.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> hezekiah> is that on the cathedral?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Yes.</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ah word. i2p/core/code/python ? or a different module?</p>
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<p>* jrand0m hasn't seen it in there</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Each python code directory has a COPYING file in it with the</p>
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<p> GPL-2 and each source file has the license set a GPL-2</p>
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<p><hezekiah> It's i2p/router/python and i2p/api/python</p>
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<p><jrand0m> 'k</p>
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<p><jrand0m> so, yeah, by next tuesday we'll have the SDK + public source access.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Cool.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Or as you like to say, wikked. ;-)</p>
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<p><jrand0m> heh</p>
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<p><jrand0m> nada mas?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> nada mas? What's that mean!?</p>
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<p><jeremiah> nothing more</p>
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<p>* jrand0m suggests you learn a lil espanol en universidad</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Questions anyone?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Going once!</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Going twice!</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Speak now .. or wait until you feel like speaking later!</p>
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<p><thecrypto> okay, i'm going to be optimizing the elgamal even more, so expect</p>
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<p> even faster elgamal benches in the future</p>
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<p><jrand0m> please focus on DSA and AES before tuning... puhleeeease :)</p>
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<p><thecrypto> i will</p>
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<p><hezekiah> The reason he's doing that is 'cause I'm causing trouble for</p>
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<p> people again. ;-)</p>
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<p><thecrypto> i'm making DSA primes</p>
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<p><thecrypto> well, at least making the program to make DSA primes right now</p>
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<p><hezekiah> ElGamal in Java doesn't like an AMD K-6 II 333MHz.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> OK.</p>
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<p><hezekiah> Question round is over!</p>
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<p><jrand0m> ok hez, we're done. you wanna powow on getting the java client</p>
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<p> and the python router work?</p>
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<p><hezekiah> See you all next week citizens!</p>
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